Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 9: Saint-Léonard-de-Noblat - Puy de Dôme, 182.4k

[SHAD0W93]

According to Jumbo, their sports scientists identified "recovery" as one of the few areas where Vingegaard was better than Pogacar... and results week 3 the last 2 years appear to support that theory.

What

Pog beat Vinge twice in the third week and gets flamed for taking it easy when he’s over 5 mins ahead of second.

 

[bill1109]

Quite a fitting sign.

I'm liking Pogacar no glasses pics at the key times in the race vs Vingo . Haven't watched stage yet but can here Liggetts "looookkk at the face of .." comments. Wondering if he is doing this for pysch reasons.

 

[Blanco]

He still is the best climber in the race. By facts, namely seconds. Pogacar looks good this year bit Vingegaard has a net gain on him on the climbing stages so far. The wide gap of those two to the rest of the field is anyway not under debate.

Momentum is slightly changing, though...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm liking Pogacar no glasses pics at the key times in the race vs Vingo . Haven't watched stage yet but can here Liggetts "looookkk at the face of .." comments. Wondering if he is doing this for pysch reasons.

Yup, Vinge always dropped Pog with glasses. Glassless Pog is a new rival that Vinge cant beat.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Yup, Vinge always dropped Pog with glasses. Glassless Pog is a new rival that Vinge cant beat.

Though, still a step op the ladder to Lance murderously piercing eyes looking back at Ulle after lethal counter attack to close the door for good.

 

[memyselfandI]

Twas boring stage af..

 

[ManicJack]

Though, still a step op the ladder to Lance murderously piercing eyes looking back at Ulle after lethal counter attack to close the door for good.

You must take Phil Ligget's nonsense too seriously

 

[Boehmand]

What

Pog beat Vinge twice in the third week and gets flamed for taking it easy when he’s over 5 mins ahead of second.

He lost time to Vingegaard in week 3 both years.

 

[SHAD0W93]

He lost time to Vingegaard in week 3 both years.

2021 Pog had over 5 min advantage, best Vinge in 2 stages, and took it easy on the TT (the only stage Vinge gained time) because he was so far ahead
2022 Pog had been attacking like crazy, has a weak depleted team, and had the sickness rumors.

2022 shows a better recovery considering Vinge was still climbing at the very high level all throughout and had the great TT. 2021 Vinge wasn’t in any contention at all to win.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

You must take Phil Ligget's nonsense too seriously

Reason why I don't do that much in stand-up comedy, apart from failed attempts here

 

[Didinho]

Yup, Vinge always dropped Pog with glasses. Glassless Pog is a new rival that Vinge cant beat.

What about Pogi without his wrist band?

 

[Boehmand]

2021 Pog had over 5 min advantage, best Vinge in 2 stages, and took it easy on the TT (the only stage Vinge gained time) because he was so far ahead
2022 Pog had been attacking like crazy, has a weak depleted team, and had the sickness rumors.

2022 shows a better recovery considering Vinge was still climbing at the very high level all throughout and had the great TT. 2021 Vinge wasn’t in any contention at all to win.

Well if you know better than Jumbo's sports science team, more power to you

 

[Bolder]

I was impressed that Vingegaard only lost 8-10 seconds. I thought he might implode in that last km. Not quite sure how/why TJV is always doing all the work, though.

 

[jmdirt]

I love it when a rider from the breakaway wins!

Note: a rider from the main breakaway in this case, not the breakaway from the breakaway breakaway of today.

I would have loved to see Matteo hang on, but what great attempt!

 

[Blanco]

Guess you are not old enough to remember Indurain...

Indurain with zero personality?! Oh man, did you watched Tours back than, or just read the wikipedia or something 20 years later?
The man was a class all the way...

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was impressed that Vingegaard only lost 8-10 seconds. I thought he might implode in that last km. Not quite sure how/why TJV is always doing all the work, though.

He was lucky that Puy de Dome didn't have a lot of turns so he didn't have to accelerate in each turn and was always seeing Pogacar.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

I was impressed that Vingegaard only lost 8-10 seconds. I thought he might implode in that last km. Not quite sure how/why TJV is always doing all the work, though.

TJV's Plan A without question was on Kuss' shoulders, with good experiences from Pyrenees, drilling to the edge.
Will make sense in relation to Sepp post stage directly apologizing for his sub-standard at final k's.
And plan B - Jonas glued to Pogi's wheel almost worked, though mental signal with the 8s gap.

 

[Boehmand]

Indurain with zero personality?! Oh man, did you watched Tours back than, or just read the wikipedia or something 20 years later?
The man was a class all the way...

I agree he was class.

But he was boring as ***, both on and off the bike.

I mean, the guy won the Tour 5 times in a row, without ever winning a stage that wasn't a TT in those races.

Not only that, but in all the 85 mass-start Tour stages he rode in his 5 wins (20 TT's across those Tours), he never attacked, not once, ever... in fact, I even doubt his ass ever left the saddle, for those 5 Tours.

 

[topcat]

I agree he was class.

But he was boring as ***, both on and off the bike.

No

 

[Boehmand]

No

No way you can have watched the Tours he won, and say he was entertaining to watch

 

[SHAD0W93]

Well if you know better than Jumbo's sports science team, more power to you

Guess they’re in for a rude awakening if Pog is still riding into form from his time off.

 

[postmanhat]

No

Yes.

Give me all seven of the Armstrong years, over one of Indurains.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Not only that, but in all the 85 mass-start Tour stages he rode in his 5 wins (20 TT's across those Tours), he never attacked, not once, ever... in fact, I even doubt his ass ever left the saddle, for those 5 Tours.

I would argue La Plagne 1995 was tantamount to an attack. It was the prototype for Ullrich at Arcalis.

 

[Boehmand]

Yes.

Give me all seven of the Armstrong years, over one of Indurains.

A prologue and 3 TT's in every single one of them

 

[Boehmand]

I would argue La Plagne 1995 was tantamount to an attack. It was the prototype for Ullrich at Arcalis.

I wouldn't really call it an attack, he just sat at the front of the peloton and rode tempo until everyone had vanished from his wheel... but is was cool though