Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 11: Évaux-les-Bains > Le Lioran, 211km

[red_flanders]

Pogi saying he had fun out there and let's keep it going like this. Gotta love the guy's attitude!

 

[Nomadist]

If Pog loses this tour he has to stop doing the year long peak. You can’t keep turning up here and getting cooked, needs to peak for this race alone

Yeah but that's not his style. Perhaps the biggest difference between him and JV is focus and patience. JV does everything to win the biggest race in the world. Pog wants to have fun and win other races. Can you blame him? He's already won TDF twice.

 

[Didinho]

Remco had more confidence downhill today and thought he was going really good. Untill they came from behind like crazy.

Also I thought he would get dropped again but he stayed with them this time when caught.

 

[Bolder]

And then what?

Or you mean with sending Yates, Almeida, Ayuso in the breaks? That could potentially indeed work. But rather in a Kuss way.

Remco needs to chase too. But I can't imagine Pog sanctioning a GC Kuss stunt unless he's dropped

 

[Heston]

Maybe this stage will be a change in Pogi’s approach. Not good for the couch potatoes but better for him. Just follow Vingo now. Result more important than spectacle.

I think it was always going to be Pogacar on the offensive until now and then Vinge on the offensive from stage 14 and onwards. Given the context of the route and Vinge's injury, that's what makes most sense for everyone.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Not entirely buying the fuelling thing, maybe it was a factor but after the initial surge Vingegaard was already pulling it back on the top of Puy Mary, the gap just ballooned on the descent.

Tadej didn't say anything about a hunger knock in his interview.

 

[jono]

I think it was always going to be Pogacar on the offensive until now and then Vinge on the offensive from stage 14 and onwards. Given the context of the route and Vinge's injury, that's what makes most sense for everyone.

I think at this point we can conclude the injury has had little bearing on Vingegaard's condition in the race.

 

[houtdffan]

looking at the footage of Rog's crash, I'd argue he wasn't within 1 second of Remco. He deserves his own time

 

[Orcs]

So many people today crying about Evenepoel. You WISH you had balls as big as his.

If Remco has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Remco has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Remco has only one fan then that is me. If Remco has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Remco, then I am against the world.

 

[jono]

Tadej didn't say anything about a hunger knock in his interview.

I don't think that is something you would give away for free in an interview. The amount he was eating after the stage is telling, but perhaps all riders do that and we never see it?

 

[Heston]

I think at this point we can conclude the injury has had little bearing on Vingegaard's condition in the race.

He doesn't get dropped like that on the Galibier stage if he is in the exact same form as last year. He looked completely dead at the top of Galibier, big difference from Puy de Dome last year.

 

[dazaau]

Pogacar said in his interview post race that his training is more suited for the Pyrenees (longer climbs).

He better hope so

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar said in his interview post race that his training is more suited for the Pyrenees (longer climbs).

It is true but Vingo is also better in those stages too...

 

[memyselfandI]

Superb stage.

I don't know if UAE did any mistake actually. Everybody knows that both teams have they nutritions planned just so perfectly as they can be. If Pogi had some problems with nutrition, it can be just that when tiredness accumulates enough, your body may stop taking energy, even if the nutrition was perfect. And it happens differently from person to person, it's highly individual. It's calculated risk, when you decide to take two GT's back to back.

Still it's possible that Pogi cleans it, he's so strong, this looks just like that one bad day. If it's the only one in this edition, he still can take it.

 

[jono]

He doesn't get dropped like that on the Galibier stage if he is in the exact same form as last year. He looked completely dead at the top of Galibier, big difference from Puy de Dome last year.

The time gain on top of Galibier was the same as on the top of Puy de Dome.

 

[ManicJack]

looking at the footage of Rog's crash, I'd argue he wasn't within 1 second of Remco. He deserves his own time

Where did you see footage?

 

[Didinho]

Has it ever happened the favorite/leader gaining 30” after the first attack, looking the strongest and then caught back by his rival? Haven’t seen it before I think. Maybe because they started the attack 2 climbs faster than they would before.

 

[houtdffan]

Where did you see footage?

peacock has replayed it several times

 

[BigCoward]

Youre right, but this is also because we are spoiled right now... think about the rotten years of Armstrong, Wiggins, Froome guys who absolutely refused to race unless it was an ITT or a big , steep MTF (hi Sepp). Matter of fact 2016 had the same final 30ks and absolutely nothing happened (15 guys S.T behind sky beeing said nothing here)... but again I agree, but still you need the attitude of the riders and teams to coorperate, if not to say: we need Pogi 😍

Froome took time in grand tours in TTs, MTF, 80km insane attacks, attacking downhill and in crosswinds. Don't talk nonsense.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So many people today crying about Evenepoel. You WISH you had balls as big as his.

If Remco has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Remco has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Remco has only one fan then that is me. If Remco has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Remco, then I am against the world.

I think there's a few other guys on here who deserves the no. 1 spot more than you, but I acknowledge your enthusiasm for the guy.

 

[Nick2413]

Where did you see footage?

They showed Rog/remco about 5 seconds before the crash about to go around a hairpin, icr how close Rog was though

 

[Nick2413]

Vingegaard’s first 200k+ stage win

 

[ppanther92]

Vingegaard’s first 200k+ stage win

I don't know who posted it yesterday but I already said back then that its not an endurance weakness most likely but rather him not targeting classics, and in GTs long stages are usually flat/hilly at max.

 

[BigCoward]

I think Roglic has been watching clips of the 2012 Olympics team sprint, where Hindes threw himself to the ground on purpose.

 

[kn0s]

Yeah but that's not his style. Perhaps the biggest difference between him and JV is focus and patience. JV does everything to win the biggest race in the world. Pog wants to have fun and win other races. Can you blame him? He's already won TDF twice.

Jonas wins lots of races.