Tour de France Tour de France 2024 stage 17: Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux - Superdévoluy, 177.8 km

[RobertCrawley]

Great win by Carapaz after last year's disaster!

 

[Escarabajo]

Oh there's Sivakov, there at a point when he's of absolutely no use

At this moment no one is of any use to Pogi. He can just ride with Politt the rest of the Tour! Lol.

 

[skippo12]

They probably didn't care:
while 4° (Almeida) to 11° (Gall) are within 6 minutes, that is as much as Almeida was behind Remco (6 minutes; now it's 8)

They are not going to kill themselves to try to follow the Top3.
What for?

I would assume that they care about their own result. Derek Gee can wait for the TT. Ciccone, Gall and Buitrago need to act if they want to finish in the top 10.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

If they really didn't care about 2nd, then they'd let Evenepoel come as close as possible to Pogacar. Either UAE has to start wasting energy in the chase, or Evenepoel gets free seconds and comes back perhaps 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds when Pog/Vinge stay passive in the chase. Suddenly Pog has to start thinking about Evenepoel as well, which only suits Vingegaard (who supposedly only cares about winning).

So a load of crock.

But Visma‘s best chance at winning is Pogačar blowing up and if that actually happens it would be nice if they weren‘t five minutes behind Remco.

 

[perico]

GC time gaps genuinely insane, the top three are within five minutes of each other, 4th to 10th is also about five minutes, but it's almost eight minutes between 3rd and 4th

Reminds me of 1986, where you had LeMond and Hinault. Zimmerman in 3rd was almost 10 minutes back after the Alpe d’huez, and Hampsten in 4th at 15 minutes or so.

 

[Miha81]

Great win by Carapaz after last year's disaster!

Interesting podium. Two former GC winners and former GC contender.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Reminds me of 1986, where you had LeMond and Hinault. Zimmerman in 3rd was almost 10 minutes back after the Alpe d’huez, and Hampsten in 4th at 15 minutes or so.

Hampsten finished 18‘44“ down that year in fourth. If they beat that, it‘s gonna be the biggest gap since Hinault put almost 27 minutes into 3rd and over 28 into 4th in ’79.

 

[OJRvE]

Most likely, of course, but still getting more riders involved in the GC fight would be Visma's best bet at this stage.

I agree in a way, they rode for the second place today which tbh most team and riders would do even if they say otherwise

 

[Samu Cuenca]

But Visma‘s best chance at winning is Pogačar blowing up and if that actually happens it would be nice if they weren‘t five minutes behind Remco.

Ahead of this stage, at least, they should still have been confident that Remco wouldn't be able to follow Vingegaard on Bonette/Isola 2000. 5 minutes is of course too much to make up. However they obviously lost the chance of making it a tactical battle after they went all in on Plateau de Beille.

 

[OJRvE]

Norwegian media should stop sending reporters to interviews with Danes if they speak that gibberish nynorsk language. 😆

Nynorsk is not an oral language though

 

[perico]

If illness is going around in the UAE team, I think it could be worthwhile for Pogacar to keep adding to his advantage while he still feels okay.

pogacar had Covid before the start of the TdF. He’s not likely at all to get it again this soon after having it.

 

[Sciatic]

Interesting podium. Two former GC winners and former GC contender.

Yup, all terrific riders just past their peak years. Of course their peak triumphs still wouldn’t have them winning overall here.

 

[Escarabajo]

Remco's is saying that He couldn't go any faster because his balls were too heavy!
oh well!

 

[KOM]

Never thought Id say this, but if he keeps this up I might just become an Evenepoel fan. Hes really impressive this tour, didnt think hed have it in him to this extend. Chapeau!

 

[perico]

Hampsten finished 18‘44“ down that year in fourth. If they beat that, it‘s gonna be the biggest gap since Hinault put almost 27 minutes into 3rd and over 28 into 4th in ’79.

Yeah I was using times after the stage to AdH and before the final TT.

 

[Sciatic]

pogacar had Covid before the start of the TdF. He’s not likely at all to get it again this soon after having it.

I thought it was flu not COVID? But maybe that was Ineos.

 

[Miha81]

Yup, all terrific riders just past their peak years. Of course their peak triumphs still wouldn’t have them winning overall here.

They are not that old. Just that this extraordinary new generation came and dominated in 2020's.

 

[Devrann]

One way or another, all questions or doubts will be answered on la Bonette I guess(no surprise).I believe what Visma says about they do not care 2nd or 3rd , and expect they will try all in strategy that day .

 

[perico]

I thought it was flu not COVID? But maybe that was Ineos.

Yes Pogacar definitely had Covid after the Giro

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

But Visma‘s best chance at winning is Pogačar blowing up and if that actually happens it would be nice if they weren‘t five minutes behind Remco.

And Pogacar is going to explode out of the blue? Letting Evenepoel come as close as possible to Pogacar would effectively make Evenoel an ally of Vingegaard because then Evenepoel's goal would also be to beat Pogacar instead of attacking Vingegaard for 2nd. It was tactically a dumb move by Visma if they really do not care about 2nd place. But i think they simply do care about 2nd place.

Now they are having to defend on two fronts. Against Pogacar who further wants to distance him, and against Evenepoel who wants his place.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I thought it was flu not COVID? But maybe that was Ineos.

According to his own words he had COVID around 2 weeks before the Tour. It didn't hamper his VO2 too much though!

 

[Tanakka]

I would assume that they care about their own result. Derek Gee can wait for the TT. Ciccone, Gall and Buitrago need to act if they want to finish in the top 10.

Yeah, but Pogi attacked at only -1,4km from the peak of Col du Noyer.
Perhaps, at that point, the other riders didn't think they could make much of a difference compared to their 4° to 11° counterparts.

If one of the 4-11° guys thinks he could gain something uphill against his competitors, he'll have tons of opportunities to do so on stage 19 and stage 20.

Stage 19 - Embrun > Isola 2000 - Tour de France 2024

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Stage 20 - Nice > Col de la Couillole - Tour de France 2024

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[Unchained]

Vaughters** likely**in tears as he is hugging and thanking Carapaz. Today's win and the great riding of Ben Healy have people forgetting about who Vaughters is a person and person in cycling. Carapaz securing victory has what Vaughters did w Piccolo, the Giro almost all but forgotten!! Bravo Richard!!

 

[scribers]

If I were vingo I would self-crack over the end stages. Then triumphantly win the time trial. Greatest comeback story from the hospital room since Armstrong.

 

[Unchained]

Oh c'mon... I'm not talking about gaps. Without helpers, Vingegaard would lose a minute and you know that. I never saw Vingegaard so bad in the Tour

Three months ago Jonas was in the hospital w possible career ending injuries.. He is currently flying considering his circumstances