Tour de France Tour de France 2024 stage 17: Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux - Superdévoluy, 177.8 km

[OJRvE]

Allowing Remco to move a lot closer to Pogačar could have been exciting, but Visma were of course not going to do that.

I mean UAE had Sivakov so he would just have pulled a steady pace and max lost 45 seconds so it would only be bad for Vingegaard second place

 

[Danskebjerge]

Finally a race-in-the-race stage. It's twice as fun when there is a battle for the stage win and after that a battle for the GC. First time this year.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Johan is grinding his teeth with this Vaughter's victory.

 

[kingjr]

Looking at him throughout the years, He would benefit of going to the Giro, just like Ulrich used to do. Mas is the definition of Diesel.

Ullrich did that two times out of nine.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I mean UAE had Sivakov so he would just have pulled a steady pace and max lost 45 seconds so it would only be bad for Vingegaard second place

Most likely, of course, but still getting more riders involved in the GC fight would be Visma's best bet at this stage.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Norwegian media should stop sending reporters to interviews with Danes if they speak that gibberish nynorsk language. 😆

 

[AnotherArmChair]

They think 2nd is better than 3rd, but Vingegaard himself didn‘t have to do any defense against Remco today.

Yes...this

Why sit there and not have your teammates chase Remco in the final kilometres and say hey why bother ?

Doesnt mean their main attention is not on winning still and not on second

 

[Miha81]

They think 2nd is better than 3rd, but Vingegaard himself didn‘t have to do any defense against Remco today.

The way Vinge looked today they have more of a fight for 2nd than 1st on their hand. Offcourse everything can change from day to day. Still lots of hard stages this week.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Top 3 taking over 2 minutes on everyone else here in GC is a bit symptomatic for this race.

 

[Eclipse]

Looking at him throughout the years, He would benefit of going to the Giro, just like Ulrich used to do. Mas is the definition of Diesel.

Mas is the definition of superdomestique.

Forget #FreeLanda it should have been #ChainEnric

Top 3 taking over 2 minutes on everyone else here in GC is a bit symptomatic for this race.

I think this is just self fulfilling at this stage. It's a race in a race now. Nobody is going to follow when they go.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

They think 2nd is better than 3rd, but Vingegaard himself didn‘t have to do any defense against Remco today.

If they really didn't care about 2nd, then they'd let Evenepoel come as close as possible to Pogacar. Either UAE has to start wasting energy in the chase, or Evenepoel gets free seconds and comes back perhaps 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds when Pog/Vinge stay passive in the chase. Suddenly Pog has to start thinking about Evenepoel as well, which only suits Vingegaard (who supposedly only cares about winning).

So a load of crock.

 

[Tanakka]

How did the group with the other GC riders lose more than two minutes in the final?

They probably didn't care:
while 4° (Almeida) to 11° (Gall) are within 6 minutes, that is as much as Almeida was behind Remco (6 minutes; now it's 8)

They are not going to kill themselves to try to follow the Top3.
What for?

 

[perico]

Carapaz joins a list of cyclists with stage win at all grand tours and olympic gold medal.
Mind you, I don't know how long that list is...

He’s also has the TT champion of Ecuador on his resume.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Great win by Carapaz after last year's disaster!

 

[Escarabajo]

Oh there's Sivakov, there at a point when he's of absolutely no use

At this moment no one is of any use to Pogi. He can just ride with Politt the rest of the Tour! Lol.

 

[skippo12]

They probably didn't care:
while 4° (Almeida) to 11° (Gall) are within 6 minutes, that is as much as Almeida was behind Remco (6 minutes; now it's 8)

They are not going to kill themselves to try to follow the Top3.
What for?

I would assume that they care about their own result. Derek Gee can wait for the TT. Ciccone, Gall and Buitrago need to act if they want to finish in the top 10.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

If they really didn't care about 2nd, then they'd let Evenepoel come as close as possible to Pogacar. Either UAE has to start wasting energy in the chase, or Evenepoel gets free seconds and comes back perhaps 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds when Pog/Vinge stay passive in the chase. Suddenly Pog has to start thinking about Evenepoel as well, which only suits Vingegaard (who supposedly only cares about winning).

So a load of crock.

But Visma‘s best chance at winning is Pogačar blowing up and if that actually happens it would be nice if they weren‘t five minutes behind Remco.

 

[perico]

GC time gaps genuinely insane, the top three are within five minutes of each other, 4th to 10th is also about five minutes, but it's almost eight minutes between 3rd and 4th

Reminds me of 1986, where you had LeMond and Hinault. Zimmerman in 3rd was almost 10 minutes back after the Alpe d’huez, and Hampsten in 4th at 15 minutes or so.

 

[Miha81]

Great win by Carapaz after last year's disaster!

Interesting podium. Two former GC winners and former GC contender.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Reminds me of 1986, where you had LeMond and Hinault. Zimmerman in 3rd was almost 10 minutes back after the Alpe d’huez, and Hampsten in 4th at 15 minutes or so.

Hampsten finished 18‘44“ down that year in fourth. If they beat that, it‘s gonna be the biggest gap since Hinault put almost 27 minutes into 3rd and over 28 into 4th in ’79.

 

[OJRvE]

Most likely, of course, but still getting more riders involved in the GC fight would be Visma's best bet at this stage.

I agree in a way, they rode for the second place today which tbh most team and riders would do even if they say otherwise

 

[Samu Cuenca]

But Visma‘s best chance at winning is Pogačar blowing up and if that actually happens it would be nice if they weren‘t five minutes behind Remco.

Ahead of this stage, at least, they should still have been confident that Remco wouldn't be able to follow Vingegaard on Bonette/Isola 2000. 5 minutes is of course too much to make up. However they obviously lost the chance of making it a tactical battle after they went all in on Plateau de Beille.

 

[OJRvE]

Norwegian media should stop sending reporters to interviews with Danes if they speak that gibberish nynorsk language. 😆

Nynorsk is not an oral language though

 

[perico]

If illness is going around in the UAE team, I think it could be worthwhile for Pogacar to keep adding to his advantage while he still feels okay.

pogacar had Covid before the start of the TdF. He’s not likely at all to get it again this soon after having it.

 

[Sciatic]

Interesting podium. Two former GC winners and former GC contender.

Yup, all terrific riders just past their peak years. Of course their peak triumphs still wouldn’t have them winning overall here.