Tour de France Tour de France 2024: Stage 19: Embrun - Isola 2000, 19/07 144.6k

[perico]

I don’t care… I’m just here to watch Team Sky/Ineos beaten at their own game by UAE and Visma of building super teams that suffocate the race year after year.

 

[RobertCrawley]

It’s called ****ification. This is what happens when everything is made for the masses and not the real fans.

You are a "real fan," I take it.

 

[search]

Demare is finally in, but sth like 7 minutes too late

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Fact is the team believed in Vinge, they must've seen the numbers in training and asses he can beat the Pog. It turned out to be a complete humiliation.

How is it a humiliation...The man was in intensive care 8 weeks ago . Behave
Anyone who can get 2nd in the Tour after that is as tough as steel

Honestly Gee at 8th on GC is more shocking than anything these freaks at the front are doing.

Derek Gee is a top athlete. Just cos you dont know his ability doesnt mean he cant do what he did . He showed how he can climb at the Dauphine. Thisd forum is ridiculous ...no one is allowed to turn up and be good except those you deem worthy

Considering what happened to him before the Tour, he's over achieving but obviously he knows that this is the best he can do and Pogacar is on another level. Might have been some physical distress as well.

This is no necessarily the best he can do . Why is it ? he has 6 weeks to train and this is what he did.[[content deleted]]. Its not about your best numbers on one day ...its about your recovery and best numbers every day ...that is based on your base which he never got a chance to build after his injury. For me it feels he went deep today and probably feels he let the team down and was emotional ..He tried and did well considering where he came from

 

[Valv.Piti]

Arrogance knows no bounds

Nothing to do with arrogance, everything to do with trying to get ahead of clueless experts, journalists and july-watchers calling him greedy and what not.

 

[slim charles]

I don't really have a problem with him wanting to win every stage but that he succeeds at that is something that I don't like. But that is a subject for a different part of the forum.

Which, at the same time, I am really tired of (not the forum but just generally thinking about that).

I really do enjoy watching Pogačar, he is immensely fun, seems like a genuinely decent guy - though there is some arrogance, too.

Whatever, I don't think the things will change, I just wish I could turn off the cynical part of my brain completely.

 

[Tim Cahill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814310404274679886

 

[RedheadDane]

This hardly seems fair!

139	BALLERINI Davide	Astana Qazaqstan Team				43:46
140	BOL Cees	Astana Qazaqstan Team				,,
141	CAVENDISH Mark	Astana Qazaqstan Team				,,
DNF	EEKHOFF Nils	Team dsm-firmenich PostNL				-
DNS	KÜNG Stefan	Groupama - FDJ				-
DNS	STEWART Jake	Israel - Premier Tech				-
OTL	DÉMARE Arnaud	Arkéa - B&B Hotels				43:46

(It's gotta be a mistake. They showed the Astana riders coming in several minutes before Demare.)

 

[shalgo]

Most stage wins in Tour de France history.

#	Rider	Wins	2nd	3rd	Active
1	CAVENDISH Mark	35	4	5	Yes
2	MERCKX Eddy	34	18	11
3	HINAULT Bernard	28	12	6
4	LEDUCQ André	25	13	19
5	DARRIGADE André	22	12	5
6	FRANTZ Nicolas	20	18	12
7	FABER François	19	10	11
8	ALAVOINE Jean	17	9	8
9	PÉLISSIER Charles	16	16	10
10	ANQUETIL Jacques	16	9	4
11	LE GREVÈS René	16	6	6
12	MAERTENS Freddy	15	9	7
13	POGAČAR Tadej	15	7	7	Yes
14	KITTEL Marcel	14	2	2
15	THYS Philippe	13	11	13
16	TROUSSELIER Louis	13	4	8
17	ZABEL Erik	12	22	19
18	SAGAN Peter	12	22	13
19	INDURAIN Miguel	12	13	8
20	MCEWEN Robbie	12	10	6

Two thoughts on this table:

1. It's amazing to see Maertens there, given that he only rode the Tour three times.

2. Of course Zabel and Sagan have the most second-place finishes.

 

[magliaroz]

I don’t care… I’m just here to watch Team Sky/Ineos beaten at their own game by UAE and Visma of building super teams that suffocate the race year after year.

Oh, the naps I had thanks to the mountain trains...

 

[tobydawq]

Démare outside the time limit for the third time in his Tour career.

 

[RobertCrawley]

In his interview with Neilson Powless, Peacock's Steve Perino kept up the polemic about Tadej not allowing others to win.

Powless said, essentially, there is no expectation of gifts in professional cycling.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Démare outside the time limit for the third time in his Tour career.

And people say the time limits are laughable.

 

[magliaroz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814310404274679886

I hope this is a joke. It' s clear Vingo waved the white flag and told them to try and win the stage.

 

[fbjim]

In his interview with Neilson Powless, Peacock's Steve Perino kept up the polemic about Tadej not allowing others to win.

Powless said, essentially, there is no expectation of gifts in professional cycling.

between commentators literally talking about twitter trolls, the period where everyone was talking about "balls" for like 48 hours, and people saying that breakaways never win stages anymore because GC teams won two stages in the Pyrenees, i think interviewers and pundits just make up things to talk about sometimes

 

[RobertCrawley]

I hope this is a joke. It' s clear Vingo waved the white flag and told them to try and win the stage.

In his post-race interview, Jorgenson said that Visma changed plans midrace. [I read: When it was clear Jonas could not go.] That's when they told Jorgenson and Keldermann to go for the stage win.

 

[jono]

Derek Gee is a top athlete. Just cos you dont know his ability doesnt mean he cant do what he did . He showed how he can climb at the Dauphine. Thisd forum is ridiculous ...no one is allowed to turn up and be good except those you deem worthy

If you think I'm insinuating things about his level, nothing could be further from the truth, and I also don't think you'll find a bigger Gee fan here than me. But he doesn't have a climber's physiology, and I thought he had peaked for the Dauphine and hoped to chase stages in breakaways in the Tour. Correct choice, in the end, to target GC with so few stages going to the breakaway.

I'm thrilled for him, but there are so many guys I view as better climbers and GC guys behind him. That's sport I guess. But it's more surprising to me than Pogacar beating a poorly prepared Vingegaard by 5 minutes.

 

[fbjim]

In his post-race interview, Jorgenson said that Visma changed plans midrace. [I read: When it was clear Jonas could not go.] That's when they told Jorgenson and Keldermann to go for the stage win.

i didn't want to say it and look like an idiot but once Jorgenson and Keldermann were taking big pulls on Bonnette i kind of suspected that is what they were doing

 

[Tim Cahill]

I hope this is a joke. It' s clear Vingo waved the white flag and told them to try and win the stage.

Yeah it's just a pastiche of the hyperbolic climbing record announcements on twitter at the moment

 

[Penninepeddler]

Two thoughts on this table:

1. It's amazing to see Maertens there, given that he only rode the Tour three times.

2. Of course Zabel and Sagan have the most second-place finishes.

van Aert is coming for them.

10x 2nds now.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

1. It's amazing to see Maertens there, given that he only rode the Tour three times.

No surprise the real Freddy displaying to be one of Le Patrons. A different time where 'transfer stages' had patrons as favourites here, doing their job on their comfort ground.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

In case people have forgotten. Last year, Vingo won by 7:29 over Pog, the largest MOV in like a decade, I believe. Only something like 16 riders were within 1 hour of Vingo on GC.
For all the pearl-clutching going on here, if anything, last year was even more monstrous than this year.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I don't think we've seen yet how good this guy can be.

Yes he is brilliant

If you think I'm insinuating things about his level, nothing could be further from the truth, and I also don't think you'll find a bigger Gee fan here than me. But he doesn't have a climber's physiology, and I thought he had peaked for the Dauphine and hoped to chase stages in breakaways in the Tour. Correct choice, in the end, to target GC with so few stages going to the breakaway.

I'm thrilled for him, but there are so many guys I view as better climbers and GC guys behind him. That's sport I guess. But it's more surprising to me than Pogacar beating a poorly prepared Vingegaard by 5 minutes.

Fair enough but I think you may have to reassess your expectations/judgement of Derek's abilities

 

[RobertCrawley]

i didn't want to say it and look like an idiot but once Jorgenson and Keldermann were taking big pulls on Bonnette i kind of suspected that is what they were doing

FYI, it's ok to look like an idiot on this chat board. No one has held it against me, as far as I can tell.

 

[Salvarani]

In case people have forgotten. Last year, Vingo won by 7:29 over Pog, the largest MOV in like a decade, I believe. Only something like 16 riders were within 1 hour of Vingo on GC.
For all the pearl-clutching going on here, if anything, last year was even more monstrous than this year.

Yup

Nothing will beat that TT