Tour de France Tour de France 2024: Stage 20: Nice - Col de la Couillole, 20/07, 132.8k

[Rackham]

Wait are people actually mad at Jorgenson for trying to get some points? Are you also mad when Coquard takes indermediary points in front of Girmay or Philipsen?

Its a race. If Carapaz wants the points he has to ride faster than the other riders trying to take the points.

The only thing more questionable than what Jorgenson did are the people pretending... he did nothing. I mean own it. He mugged Carapaz to send a message to someone. Who? No idea. Was it personal against Carapaz? Was it to get back at Pog for what happened yesterday? Take your pick!

But in a situation like that when the bunch is happy to see one guy take the point & a rider who's got no stakes in the KOM classification mugs him... it's for a reason.

It's all good though. This sport needs more reality-checks to cure the phony social media image conveyed by the team pr agents which paints a picture of everyone being super chummy with each other in peloton. In reality it's dog eat dog out there.

 

[jono]

Any GC action for the minor top 10 places will happen on the final climb. Ditto for any Remco-Jonas battle, if it happens at all.

 

[iBanesto]

It was Urska who Pogi sprayed with his bottle. She was doing the same to him.

Yeah another annoying spectator getting too close to Pogacar.

She deserved it.

 

[Potomac]

well, why not, people having meltdown on twitter and elsewhere because Pogacar didn't let Jorgensen win, then that Jorgensen didn't let Carapaz take points... People choose weird things to be mad about

I do enjoy the show

 

[Tim Cahill]

The only thing more questionable than what Jorgenson did are the people pretending... he did nothing. I mean own it. He mugged Carapaz to send a message to someone. Who? No idea. Was it personal against Carapaz? Was it to get back at Pog for what happened yesterday? Take your pick!

But in a situation like that when the bunch is happy to see one guy take the point & a rider who's got no stakes in the KOM classification mugs him... it's for a reason.

It's all good though. This sport needs more reality-checks to cure the phony social media image conveyed by the team pr agents which paints a picture of everyone being super chummy with each other in peloton. In reality it's dog eat dog out there.

Losing with grace is just as important as winning the same. Vingegaard, awkward as he is, has shown a bit of class, his team however have thrown the toys out of the pram the past couple of days, made complete fools of themselves, and this is just the bullet point.

 

[iBanesto]

Number of racedays before the start of the race for the last winners of Tour de France .

Year	Rider	#Racedays
2023	VINGEGAARD Jonas	25
2022	VINGEGAARD Jonas	26
2021	POGAČAR Tadej	30
2020	POGAČAR Tadej	19
2019	BERNAL Egan	32
2018	THOMAS Geraint	30
2017	FROOME Chris	27
2016	FROOME Chris	27
2015	FROOME Chris	27
2014	NIBALI Vincenzo	46
2013	FROOME Chris	30
2012	WIGGINS Bradley	30
2011	EVANS Cadel	29
2010	SCHLECK Andy	42
2009	CONTADOR Alberto	33
2008	SASTRE Carlos	37
2007	CONTADOR Alberto	37
2006	PEREIRO Óscar	45
2005	ARMSTRONG Lance	22
2004	ARMSTRONG Lance	32

 

[RobertCrawley]

Maybe because it's been a long three weeks, but I'm just about tired of listening to Tejay on Peacock.

 

[scribers]

Tejay callimg who should win what based on…. ?

 

[Colombiano Cadence]

If this break survives, the shithousing between Carapaz, Soler and Mas is going to be next level

 

[perico]

You think Tratnik and Geniets are better climbers than Buitrago and Gee?

Mas and Carapaz are.

 

[Danskebjerge]

So it wasn't just bad luck that Johannessen crashed yesterday.

 

[Brullnux]

Wait are people actually mad at Jorgenson for trying to get some points? Are you also mad when Coquard takes indermediary points in front of Girmay or Philipsen?

Its a race. If Carapaz wants the points he has to ride faster than the other riders trying to take the points.

Come on, let's not be disingenuous. Jorgenson didn't do that to get a KOM point, he did it specifically so that Carapaz didn't get one. Maybe as payback for yesterday, maybe to get back at UAE who chased him down but had let Carapaz towards the front, who knows. It was a bit of a petty move, to justify it by saying "it's a race" is deliberately missing the point.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Never thought I'd hear someone comparing Richard Carapaz with.... Chris Boardman

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Number of racedays before the start of the race for the last winners of Tour de France .

Year	Rider	#Racedays
2023	VINGEGAARD Jonas	25
2022	VINGEGAARD Jonas	26
2021	POGAČAR Tadej	30
2020	POGAČAR Tadej	19
2019	BERNAL Egan	32
2018	THOMAS Geraint	30
2017	FROOME Chris	27
2016	FROOME Chris	27
2015	FROOME Chris	27
2014	NIBALI Vincenzo	46
2013	FROOME Chris	30
2012	WIGGINS Bradley	30
2011	EVANS Cadel	29
2010	SCHLECK Andy	42
2009	CONTADOR Alberto	33
2008	SASTRE Carlos	37
2007	CONTADOR Alberto	37
2006	PEREIRO Óscar	45
2005	ARMSTRONG Lance	22
2004	ARMSTRONG Lance	32

Covid year would require an asterisk

 

[RobertCrawley]

Covid year would require an asterisk

Why is that.

 

[ice&fire]

If this break survives, the shithousing between Carapaz, Soler and Mas is going to be next level

GC is decided. We need good incentives to keep watching.

 

[Brullnux]

Why is that.

Calendar was super messed up

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I dont want Pog to not win what he wants . He is very strong and has a top team and you make hay while you can and there are no gifts in cycling

But stop trying to convince me you are some happy go lucky likeable guy who cares about everyone

Nah you are a killer , with a big ego ,who hangs on to defeats, wants revenge and can be petty

Own who you are and I would have more respect for you

BTW I dont think Visma mocked Pog last year ...they said what they thought and not sure that is mockery. It was just wrong. But Pog has obviously not forgotten

 

[postmanhat]

If this break survives, the shithousing between Carapaz, Soler and Mas is going to be next level

It's already started I think. Stuyven's back to them pretty quickly.

 

[iBanesto]

Covid year would require an asterisk

How about 2004 and 2005?

 

[perico]

Number of racedays before the start of the race for the last winners of Tour de France .

Year	Rider	#Racedays
2023	VINGEGAARD Jonas	25
2022	VINGEGAARD Jonas	26
2021	POGAČAR Tadej	30
2020	POGAČAR Tadej	19
2019	BERNAL Egan	32
2018	THOMAS Geraint	30
2017	FROOME Chris	27
2016	FROOME Chris	27
2015	FROOME Chris	27
2014	NIBALI Vincenzo	46
2013	FROOME Chris	30
2012	WIGGINS Bradley	30
2011	EVANS Cadel	29
2010	SCHLECK Andy	42
2009	CONTADOR Alberto	33
2008	SASTRE Carlos	37
2007	CONTADOR Alberto	37
2006	PEREIRO Óscar	45
2005	ARMSTRONG Lance	22
2004	ARMSTRONG Lance	32

If you include Lance Armstrong but not Contador in 2010… or Floyd in 2006 for that matter.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Why is that.

Maybe because there was no race for almost half a year?

 

[Miha81]

Lol. They practically pushed Carapaz over the 40 point Bonette yesterday, now they take 1 point off of him, and theyre rhe pathetic ones?

Do not see the point of doing what he did today other than some petty s***. It does not matter anyway.

 

[Brullnux]

How about 2004 and 2005?

That's not what they meant, it's more that pre-Tour race days in 2020 aren't a particularly useful data point because the Tour was in September, a load of races happened after that would normally happen before, and there was a three month gap between March races and when it picked up again. It's not particularly useful for the purposes of that stat

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

So it wasn't just bad luck that Johannessen crashed yesterday.

What do you mean by this?