Tour de Pologne 2020

[Eshnar]

Really? (Referring to the highlighted part of the quote.)

did you expect them to admit it's all their fault or something?
This is gonna have very serious consequences, which they obviously want to have as little as possible to do with.

 

[Mayomaniac]

When Barguil bumped Thomas off the road in the 2015 Tour de France, I thought Thomas might have snapped his neck... Let's just hope everyone is doing alright.

That was really not Barguil's fault, he was first forced to change his line when he made contact with TJVG, who cut a corner.
I find it really hard to find any excuses for Dylan, when you make this kind of move at 80 km/h it's always super dangerous and reckless. Of course sprinters are often rather reckless, but at that kind of speed it's just nuts.
The race organizers and the UCI are both also to blame for picking and allowing such a dangerous final/finishing straight.

 

[tobydawq]

How can you look at these images and then NOT say Dylan was completely in the wrong.
This is an act of madness which might have happened in the heat of the moment, but is an attempted murder none the less.

It's not attempted murder, come on.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

How can you look at these images and then NOT say Dylan was completely in the wrong.
This is an act of madness which might have happened in the heat of the moment, but is an attempted murder none the less.

It's not an attempted murder, but it is potential manslaughter. To me, this is no different from a reckless chauffeur running cyclists over on the road. They also don't "mean" to kill/hurt anyone.

 

[F_Cance]

Just translating here. no information about specific spinal or brain damage. Have to wait for information from the doctors

"
At. 22:00 special edition #SportowyWieczor in #tvpsport and on our website http://tvpsport.pl . The latest information on the health of Fabio Jakobsen, http://m.in . connecting with the deputy director for treatment of the hospital in Sosnowiec and reports from our reporters"

 

[shalgo]

did you expect them to admit it's all their fault or something?
This is gonna have very serious consequences, which they obviously want to have as little as possible to do with.

No, I did not expect that. But there is a big difference between saying nothing and claiming that you bear no responsibility at all (while in the same breath saying that someone else is under criminal investigation for the same incident).

 

[Koronin]

Just translating here. no information about specific spinal or brain damage. Have to wait for information from the doctors

I know you're just translating and we don't know how similar his injuries are to what Malori's were. Just thought I'd ask the question since Malori at least recovered well enough to lead a "normal" life.

 

[Boes]

It's not an attempted murder, but it is potential manslaughter. To me, this is no different from a reckless chauffeur running cyclists over on the road. They also don't "mean" to kill/hurt anyone.

Agreed. I might have overstated. But I can't understand someone posting the images and trying the explain Dylan's actions as if they were normal for a sprinter.

 

[Lauritz]

Horrible accident and a horrible day for cycling (and of course even more so for anyone affected). Clearly a reckless manoeuvre by Groenewegen, but calling it an attempted murder and so in is just wrong. Pointing fingers will not heal Jakobsen nor prevent anything from happening in the future. What should be the lesson to learn is to look how riders can be safer in mass sprints from now on.

In that respect, it is obviously time to remove Tour de Pologne from the WT Calendar and enact some serious actions against the organisers. The lack of remorse and self-examination shown in their statement is baffling to say the least.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

my translation was different. He talked with Jakobsens team and they mentioned the investigation. Bikes involved, all the footage was secured, and area given to authorities for investigation. Dont believe the organizers are pressing charges. Also, dont believe they are at fault here. The medical response seemed top notch, and what more could they do. Road was quite wide, and setup of the finish standard.

The road width isn't the issue, the fact that the road runs downhill is. Downhill = higher speed = higher impact of a crash. And sprints will always be prone to crashes...

 

[janraaskalt]

"
At. 22:00 special edition #SportowyWieczor in #tvpsport and on our website http://tvpsport.pl . The latest information on the health of Fabio Jakobsen, http://m.in . connecting with the deputy director for treatment of the hospital in Sosnowiec and reports from our reporters"

If and when there are updates, I would be interested if you could post them here.

 

[Red Rick]

Horrible accident and a horrible day for cycling (and of course even more so for anyone affected). Clearly a reckless manoeuvre by Groenewegen, but calling it an attempted murder and so in is just wrong. Pointing fingers will not heal Jakobsen nor prevent anything from happening in the future. What should be the lesson to learn is to look how riders can be safer in mass sprints from now on.

In that respect, it is clearly time to remove Tour de Pologne from the WT Calendar and enact some serious actions against the organisers. The lack of remorse and self-examination shown in their statement is baffling to say the least.

Sprinting is dangerous. Yes. But that makes all the extra risks added by the riders themselves all the worse. If you can't be trusted not to risk someone elses life to win a race, you really shouldn't be near a pro peloton.

 

[damian13ster]

"
At. 22:00 special edition #SportowyWieczor in #tvpsport and on our website http://tvpsport.pl . The latest information on the health of Fabio Jakobsen, http://m.in . connecting with the deputy director for treatment of the hospital in Sosnowiec and reports from our reporters"

Watching:

• arrived in hospital in critical condition
• stabilized circulation and breathing
• did radiology for pretty much everything
• bunch of surgeries tomorrow, mostly face, jaw, plastic surgeries
• radiology has shown no significant damage to central nervous system
• anasthesiologists saying he is relatively stable condition
• the medicine he is on stops them from making definitive statements about neurological condition; however, radiology has shown no extensive neurogical or spinal cord damage
• there was fairly careful, but optimistic statement, which hinted that full recovery may be possible
• cant make that statement though with high certainty until at least tomorrow

It seems too good to be true. Director of hospital was just passing by and said 'it will be all right'. There is hope that long term damage will be minimal if any.

Wonder if that poor race official just saved someones life......

 

[jflemaire]

I don't give a *** what he goes through.

I do. I hope he's going through hell.

 

[Slaro]

I understand emotions are running high. And that is completely understandable.

But *** happens....

Dylan clearly made a mistake with awful consequences. But there was also a lot of bad luck involved. This kind of actions happen regularly (unfortunately), sometimes with ugly falls, and this time with an extremely ugly fall.

We all know this sport involves huge risks, maybe even why its so thrilling sometimes, but lets not make it bigger than it is. Im sure Dylan feels awful. And there is nothing wrong with also feeling sorry for him.

 

[BlueRoads]

Watching:

• arrived in hospital in critical condition
• stabilized circulation and breathing
• did radiology for pretty much everything
• bunch of surgeries tomorrow, mostly face, jaw, plastic surgeries
• radiology has shown no significant damage to central nervous system
• anasthesiologists saying he is relatively stable condition
• the medicine he is on stops them from making definitive statements about neurological condition; however, radiology has shown no extensive neurogical or spinal cord damage
• there was fairly careful, but optimistic statement, which hinted that full recovery may be possible
• cant make that statement though with high certainty until at least tomorrow

Under these circumstances that sounds good.

 

[ppanther92]

I know you're just translating and we don't know how similar his injuries are to what Malori's were. Just thought I'd ask the question since Malori at least recovered well enough to lead a "normal" life.

OT: But from what I saw on Malori's facebook page, he is really doing good. Sure, couldn't make the comeback but posts a lot, looks happy, rides his bike a lot, and still follows procycling quite closely. So, all in all a very "positive" outcome.

We do not nearly know enough about Jakobsen yet but if it is similar serious (what we have to fear unfortunately), a "Malori-outcome" is not bad at all.

 

[Flamin]

Groenewegen’s life may be irrevocably altered by this, depending on how badly hurt Jakobson is. First race back, ultra high speed sprint, desperate to get back to winning, tries to shut the door, in a moment of madness goes too far and now he may have ended another rider’s life or career. It’s awful, just awful.

Exactly. Assuming Jakobsen makes a full recovery and all, I wonder how Groenewegen will be perceived in the peloton in the future. I mean, who still wants to go side-by-side travelling at 70km/h with him, realizing something may snap in the guy's head again.

Or how long it would take for Groenewegen to actually dare to sprint again, if ever.

 

[Red Rick]

I feel as sorry for Groenewegen as I do for drunk drivers who hit someone.

 

[Lauritz]

Sprinting is dangerous. Yes. But that makes all the extra risks added by the riders themselves all the worse. If you can't be trusted not to risk someone elses life to win a race, you really shouldn't be near a pro peloton.

If I understand you correctly, you mean that Groenewegen is a risk in the sprint. Hard to argue today, but has he been involved in many cases like this? I cannot recall any others than the one with Naesen previously mentioned. The outcome here is just tragic and a result of really bad luck more than anything imo.

 

[skippo12]

I've been in favor of completely doing away with timedifferences for the final 3k in sprintstages, for some time. That way you can keep GC riders out of the sprint chaos. It's a good thing for the GC riders, since they don't have to risk injuries due to crashes at high speed, in a situation that is completely out of their comfortzone. In turn it offers more space for the sprinters and sprinttrains. Today this wouldn't have made a difference obviously, but a crash like this could also take out a GC rider (and it has many times in the past). It's safer for all parties involved.

I think it isn´t as easy because positioning and the ability to endure a hard pace on flat stages is part of the race. We see minor gaps on flat stages at least once or twice in every GT.
We simply cannot remove all risks. GC should be about more than just pure climbing/punch and TT ability.
What would be the next step? Remove descents because they are dangerous? Take the time at the top of every mountain and restart in the valley? That´s not an option.

It is more about the organiser and making sure that the finishes are as safe as possible. Today we had a high speed sprint on a narrow road. That´s just a bad idea.
Next point would be the metal barriers that are used in most pro races. I will never understand why they cannot switch to something else. How many times do we need to see riders being injured because a wheel makes contact with them or even worse because they crash into them. Anything is better than the current metal constructions. Be it a hay bale or some kind of inflatable barrier.

 

[richwallone]

The road width isn't the issue, the fact that the road runs downhill is. Downhill = higher speed = higher impact of a crash. And sprints will always be prone to crashes...

... And next to pretty much "railroad" tracks!!! It's an open design for streetcar tracks laid on rocks... Those should have been covered, or the street shouldn't have been used for the finish...

Just thinking that he crashed right into them, and without a helmet, it's making me sick in my stomach!!! Sharp rocks and metal railroad tracks!!!

The organizers are at FAULT!!! No ifs or buts about it!!!

 

[Koronin]

OT: But from what I saw on Malori's facebook page, he is really doing good. Sure, couldn't make the comeback but posts a lot, looks happy, rides his bike a lot, and still follows procycling quite closely. So, all in all a very "positive" outcome.

We do not nearly know enough about Jakobsen yet but if it is similar serious (what we have to fear unfortunately), a "Malori-outcome" is not bad at all.

He can't race and had to find a new "job" that he could enjoy. Yes he's had a very good recovery. One that wasn't expected.

 

[Jagartrott]

Dylan clearly made a mistake with awful consequences. But there was also a lot of bad luck involved. This kind of actions happen regularly (unfortunately), sometimes with ugly falls, and this time with an extremely ugly fall.

We all know this sport involves huge risks, maybe even why its so thrilling sometimes, but lets not make it bigger than it is. Im sure Dylan feels awful. And there is nothing wrong with also feeling sorry for him.

Man speeds through village at 100 km/h, way above the speed limit, runs someone over. I would be very angry with that person, and very sorry for the victim. Feeling sorry for someone who took enormous risks at someone else's expense is not an emotion that pops up in my head.

 

[tobydawq]

I feel as sorry for Groenewegen as I do for drunk drivers who hit someone.

We get it. Now, try behaving a little bit like an authority.