Tour de Pologne 2020

[Jagartrott]

Jeez...
This is cycling!
Nothing was intentional, IMO.

Intentional? Then it's attempted murder.
But it was absolutely reckless, he wanted to win no matter what and he clearly swerved towards the barriers at a speed of 80 km/h. That's bad enough, and it deserves severe punishment. No, this is NOT what cycling should be.

 

[Red Rick]

Just ban for life imo.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

Oliver Naesen once called Groenewegen a moron for nearly pushing him in the bariers during a sprint a few years ago. Guess he didn't learn a thing. First you commemorate a rider that died the year before, then you decide this is a smart move at those speeds. Horrible.

I hope very very much all involved will make a full recovery.

https://twitter.com/x/status/782603105561112576

View: https://twitter.com/JacquesLeunis/status/782603105561112576

 

[Red Rick]

Stop the crucifiction of Dylan. Cant imagine what he must be going through :/

I don't give a *** what he goes through.

 

[kingjr]

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/pres...nt-concerning-dylan-groenewegen-(jumbo-visma)

Statement by the UCI

I wish they had taken similar action as far back as the Bettini-Cooke incident at the Giro 05, which was very similar to this one, although with a much less severe outcome.

 

[Bonimenier]

I wish they had taken similar action as far back as the Bettini-Cooke incident at the Giro 05, which was very similar to this one, although with a much less severe outcome.

Apart from disqualification they haven't taken any actions yet though.

 

[kingjr]

Apart from disqualification they haven't taken any actions yet though.

Yeah, but back then they didn't even do that.

 

[jaylew]

Noted. I also note that you still didn't answer my question. But it's fine if you don't want to, I won't insist.

I did answer your question. Why do we post anything? Because we think other people might be interested (I was as were others I'm sure), or it provides information (it did - showed his helmet had come off) among other reasons.

 

[damian13ster]

Statement from the hospital: Large team of doctors, including surgeons, orthopedic, etc. is working on the jaw and face area. There is breathing and circulation. Still lofe threathening condition

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't believe in this ***, but in case i'm wrong hopefully he's found a guardian angel in Bjorg.

Pffff. Can't imagine if this were my kid.

 

[klintE]

Intentional? Then it's attempted murder.
But it was absolutely reckless, he wanted to win no matter what and he clearly swerved towards the barriers at a speed of 80 km/h. That's bad enough, and it deserves severe punishment. No, this is NOT what cycling should be.

Look closely to the video. Handlebars were stuck together when Dylan pulled on his side (steering left) and that caused the crash. His fault of course but, like I said, no intentional.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291053840427618309

View: https://twitter.com/DoCiclismo/status/1291053840427618309

And I didn't say he doesn't deserve to be punished hardly.
It just wasn't attempted murder.

 

[kingjr]

I did answer your question. Why do we post anything? Because we think other people might be interested (I was as were others I'm sure), or it provides information (it did - showed his helmet had come off) among other reasons.

It did show that, but he could've just said he saw an image showing his helmet came off. Not to mention that this was already apparent from the official footage of the crash. In any case, I think it would have been more sensible to simply post the link and state what's in it instead of posting the image, but I believe we agree on that.

 

[jaylew]

Jeez...
This is cycling!
Nothing was intentional, IMO.
Like last year, when Sagan did that thing to Cavendish (and Cavendish making it to another one, in the other race, and .. so on)
Let start talking about improving safety rules near the finish line, maybe.

This is beyond "This is cycling!"

He may not have intentionally crashed him (after all he crashed himself as well) but he clearly and purposefully broke rules designed to keep people safe.

He had a ton of room on both sides and the second Jakobsen started to move up he intentionally moved to the right to close him off and continued to move right, going as far as to eventually put an elbow out when all he had to do was edge to the left a few inches. He wanted to win and chose to cut FJ off to do so.

 

[FilipeFD]

what is JumboVisma waiting to fire this guy?

 

[jaylew]

Jakobsen was declared the winner, fwiw.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Look closely to the video. Handlebars were stuck together when Dylan pulled on his side (steering left) and that caused the crash. His fault of course but, like I said, no intentional.

Is this a jokepost? Maybe you should take the videoscrubber (the dot on the timeline) and go back and forth a few times, so you can see what "caused the crash".

 

[Big Doopie]

Look closely to the video. Handlebars were stuck together when Dylan pulled on his side (steering left) and that caused the crash. His fault of course but, like I said, no intentional.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291053840427618309

View: https://twitter.com/DoCiclismo/status/1291053840427618309

And I didn't say he doesn't deserve to be punished hardly.
It just wasn't attempted murder.

not the way i see it.

G makes a first move to close J off. Then when he realizes J is getting by him he angles to the barriers even more, leaving nowhere for J to go.

It was a dreadfully illegal sprint.

 

[Escarabajo]

Is this a jokepost? Maybe you shout take the videoscrubber (the dot on the timeline) and go back and forth a few times, so you can see what "caused the crash".

He should be punished, I agree. And I don't believe the theory of the handlebars either. But, I don't think what he did was intentional.
Looked horrible on the replay.

 

[Koronin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291083978502541315

View: https://twitter.com/ivan_cortina/status/1291083978502541315

 

[ppanther92]

I also don't think it was intentional but it for sure was grossly negligent (don't know if this is an appropriate legal term in english) and hence, there should be consequent punishment.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He should be punished, I agree. And I don't believe the theory of the handlebars either. But, I don't think what he did was intentional.
Looked horrible on the replay.

Ofcourse it's intentional. Obviously he doesn't want to cause a crash, but he does want to take Jakobsen to the side to close him in.

 

[chinaski]

Lang (TdP Director) said that Groenewegen will face criminal responsibility, no details though..

 

[F_Cance]

Jakobsen was declared the winner, fwiw.

that's why i was asking if you still have to be connected to the bike when crossing the line. Not important at all obviously, merely just a rules question.

 

[rehy90]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291057210861248513

View: https://twitter.com/Marcin_Loboz/status/1291057210861248513


in this video, you can see that he did not intentionally elbowed FJ, his elbow got stuck in FJs handlebars. It does not change the fact, that his previous move was dangerous and he should be banned for some time. I have seen worse line changes, fortunately with not so severe consequences.

 

[ppanther92]

Ofcourse it's intentional. Obviously he doesn't want to cause a crash, but he does want to take Jakobsen to the side to close him in.

I am for example no native speaker. If that is your (or the) definition of intentional, then I agree.