Tour de Pologne 2020

[kingjr]

"I really don't understand why that pic had to be posted."

"What was the value, why did it have to be posted in the first place."

What's German for hypocrite?

I suppose you are from an English speaking country? Otherwise I would ask you what "reading comprehension" means in your language.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Two minutes ago from official doctor of tbe race: Fabio is still with us. We are fighting

Thank you for the update.

Latest report from the Polish website (naszosie.pl):

Here is the latest information from the race doctor, Dr. Barbara Jerschina, who participated in the medical treatment of Fabio Jakobsen.

- We did everything that could be done. The working conditions were very hard, it is a very serious craniocerebral trauma, a broken palate, so it was difficult to intubate, but the laryngeal tubes and oxygen were connected all the time. We maintained the level of saturation and life activities. The heart was working well, it was maintaining the right pressure

- described the course of the rescue operation of Dr. Jerschin.

When asked by journalists whether there was a threat to life, she unfortunately answered in the affirmative.

- This cyclist is very seriously injured and is life threatening. The palate and the upper respiratory tract were crushed, but he managed to intubate, he went to the hospital, but lost a lot of blood. He is alive after all, he is with us and let's hope we win

Added Dr. Jerschina with tears in her eyes.


Jakobsen was transported to St. Barbara in Sosnowiec.

Marta Wiśniewska from Katowice

Thank you. Jeez this sounds bad. Keeping Fabio in my thoughts.

 

[klintE]

Heard some rumors on Twitter about Quick Step abandoning the race as some sort of "boycott".
Would make sense but take it with a gran of salt.

Lefevere also said that it was "criminal act"
But what should they do? Hang him instead of dsq from race? (I mean Groenwagon)

 

[tobydawq]

Thank you for the update.

Thank you. Jeez this sounds bad. Keeping Fabian in my thoughts.

Fabio.

But it sounds as horrible as it looked

 

[Koronin]

David De La Cruz is calling for sanctions.

 

[tobydawq]

Also, imagine if he dies. Hard to see Groenewegen ever getting over it.

 

[argyllflyer]

@argyllflyer to clariy, the picture did not bother me. But I fully understand why it would bother others. People feel differently about these things, indeed. But to draw a line between cultures is inappropriate and unnecessary.

To say "the picture didn't bother me, so I don't understand why it would bother others" is simply a remarkable display of lack of empathy.

I guess what Rob Hatch said is what he always says - he hates seeing lingering shots of crashes and always calls out the TV companies for doing so, and we got 10+ replays of that from multiple angles. And then for it to be widely shared on social media, I guess it riled him. Was he right to make a point about cultures? Maybe not, but in the UK anything even vaguely disturbing is signposted in advance on TV and maybe that's not the case elsewhere? Some tv companies in cycling never show replays of anything bad, others can't let go. It's down to the director I guess, as opposed to nationality.

I have to say he's in the wrong sport if crashes turn his stomach, so common that they are. Today's was vile though.

 

[Andy262]

Awful news but you knew it was bad in real time. What that picture did show was how the helmet flew off so little protection there.

Hang in there Fabio. Everything crossed.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Also, imagine if he dies. Hard to see Groenewegen ever getting over it.

Actions have consequences, and Groenewegen should experience far graver ones than being disqualified regardless of Jakobsen's fate. That's not the direct concern right now though...

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I guess what Rob Hatch said is what he always says - he hates seeing lingering shots of crashes and always calls out the TV companies for doing so, and we got 10+ replays of that from multiple angles. And then for it to be widely shared on social media, I guess it riled him. Was he right to make a point about cultures? Maybe not, but in the UK anything even vaguely disturbing is signposted in advance on TV and maybe that's not the case elsewhere? Some tv companies in cycling never show replays of anything bad, others can't let go. It's down to the director I guess, as opposed to nationality.

I have to say he's in the wrong sport if crashes turn his stomach, so common that they are. Today's was vile though.

Today is the most awful crash I've ever seen, possibly the worst manoeuvre on possibly the worst finish...

 

[IndianCyclist]

This on top of COVID.
UCI should ban all high speed sprints. Also there should be a 10 k GC separation rule to remove the non sprinters out of the sprint. Start penalizing the deviations severely. Also the barriers(last 600 m) in a sprint need to be cushioned and splinter proof

 

[hrotha]

I guess what Rob Hatch said is what he always says - he hates seeing lingering shots of crashes and always calls out the TV companies for doing so, and we got 10+ replays of that from multiple angles. And then for it to be widely shared on social media, I guess it riled him. Was he right to make a point about cultures? Maybe not, but in the UK anything even vaguely disturbing is signposted in advance on TV and maybe that's not the case elsewhere? Some tv companies in cycling never show replays of anything bad, others can't let go. It's down to the director I guess, as opposed to nationality.

I have to say he's in the wrong sport if crashes turn his stomach, so common that they are. Today's was vile though.

Ultimately it is not about culture, it's mostly about journalistic deontology and there's no clear-cut answer to what should or should not be shown regardless of its informative potential. Obviously there's a point at which it's just morbid exploitation but whether or not the pictures should be shown at all is a different matter. As long as that morbid exploitation is absent I find it a little self-centered to get mad at other people for disagreeing with you on where exactly to draw such an incredibly blurry line.

 

[Koronin]

Another of the riders injured in the crash is Prades. He's currently in the hospital as well for an exam on his right hand, arm, and shoulder.


Christian VandeVelde tweeted that this was the worst crash he's ever seen.

 

[Jspear]

This on top of COVID.
UCI should ban all high speed sprints. Also there should be a 10 k GC separation rule to remove the non sprinters out of the sprint. Start penalizing the deviations severely. Also the barriers(last 600 m) in a sprint need to be cushioned and splinter proof

Banning high speed sprints is stupid. There are risks that we take in life. Do we want to minimize them as much as possible? Of course! We can work towards making things safer without banning high speed sprints.

 

[damian13ster]

Stop the crucifiction of Dylan. Cant imagine what he must be going through :/

 

[klintE]

Jeez...
This is cycling!
Nothing was intentional, IMO.
Like last year, when Sagan did that thing to Cavendish (and Cavendish making it to another one, in the other race, and .. so on)
Let start talking about improving safety rules near the finish line, maybe.

 

[argyllflyer]

Ultimately it is not about culture, it's mostly about journalistic deontology and there's no clear-cut answer to what should or should not be shown regardless of its informative potential. Obviously there's a point at which it's just morbid exploitation but whether or not the pictures should be shown at all is a different matter. As long as that morbid exploitation is absent I find it a little self-centered to get mad at other people for disagreeing with you on where exactly to draw such an incredibly blurry line.

GCN are not showing the race on demand until they know how FJ is (i.e. if he is ok, the race will never be shown again otherwise). Not sure if Eurosport are doing likewise.

 

[tobydawq]

Jeez...
This is cycling!
Nothing was intentional, IMO.
Like last year, when Sagan did that thing to Cavendish (and Cavendish making it for another one, in the other race, and .. so on)
Let start talking about improving safety rules near the finish line, maybe.

Last year? That was three years ago, dude.

 

[DNP-Old]

Stop the crucifiction of Dylan. Cant imagine what he must be going through :/

He's the culprit for a reason.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Fabio.

But it sounds as horrible as it looked

Auto correct and I wasn't paying attention. Changed it now.

 

[chinaski]

Doctor also said in the interview that the referee was conscious and talking when they took him in the ambulance.

 

[kingjr]

This on top of COVID.
UCI should ban all high speed sprints. Also there should be a 10 k GC separation rule to remove the non sprinters out of the sprint. Start penalizing the deviations severely. Also the barriers(last 600 m) in a sprint need to be cushioned and splinter proof

I'm not sure sprints as such are the issue. In fact sprints are a relatively safe affair, if (big if) everyone sticks to the rules, respects each other, rides in a straight line and doesn't attempt to go through gaps that aren't there. I have no statistics to back me up, but I wager that the run-up to the sprint is more dangerous, given that the field is more tightly packed at that stage, and there are more tight corners and the like, as there is a greater chance of something going wrong simply by accident and bad luck. But that problem you also have before certain crucial points during other types of races, such as the Muur in the Ronde or before a GT climb.
Plus, I don't see how one could ban sprint finishes in areas where there simply is no uphill finish around.

I would agree though that downhill sprint finishes should be a no-go, for reasons others mentioned above.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Stop the crucifiction of Dylan. Cant imagine what he must be going through :/

Sorry dude. I'm having difficulties restraining myself not to say things not fit for a public forum. He's been a dangerous and arrogant rider for ages. He's been called out for that many times. This was waiting to happen.

 

[klintE]

Last year? That was three years ago, dude.

Damn, right!
Time goes by so fast

 

[Bonimenier]

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/pres...nt-concerning-dylan-groenewegen-(jumbo-visma)

Statement by the UCI