Tour de Suisse - Stage 4, Schwarzenburg - Wettingen (192.2km)

[CPAvelo]

The race officials penalized Cav for irregular sprinting. Did this have more to do with his movement all the way from the right barrier than it did with the actual contact with Haussler? Or was it how he continued to drift left after passing Ciolek? Or was because Cav has behaved naughty by running off at the mouth?

 

[131313]

This is the last in a sequence of events. You all need to take a very close look......
Since close inspection shows Hausler steering into Cavendish whose fault is it?

you have got to be kidding me???

look at where Cav is at 70 meters (all the way to the right side of the road), then look where we is 20 meters later (over the center towards the left of the road)!!!

Saying HH moved 6 inches to his right and caused the crash is utterly ridiculous. Cav tried to sweep him, simple as that.

So is Flecha one of those dudes who always blesses himself at the starts? If so, I think I'm gonna start doing that...

 

[peloton]

have you seen the cycling.tv clip?

yes, l just posted it here.

 

[cycledp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg

Cav's fault I'd say.

Who is the Garmin rider crashing on the white lines?

I agree. The overhead shot in this video says it all. Cavendish blatantly cuts off Ciolek and then goes right into Haussler. The vertical yellow lines they all cross just before impact show how much more Cavendish moved than the others. Don't know who the Garmin rider is.

 

[CPAvelo]

This highly speculative, but in observing how both Cav and Haussler fell, it seems to suggest Haussler initiated contact as suggested by Supervet, in that he behaves as if he expected to avert going down. Cav it seems was not expecting to crash and fell and rolled instinctively. In the whole sequence, I believe Cav was properly penalized, but Haussler should share some blame for the point of impact causing the crash.

 

[Climbing]

How in hell Freire did save that?
That requires an huge amount of luck and skill, for godsake!
I hope nobody got hurt too badly.

 

[Climbing]

This highly speculative, but in observing how both Cav and Haussler fell, it seems to suggest Haussler initiated contact as suggested by Supervet, in that he behaves as if he expected to avert going down. Cav it seems was not expecting to crash and fell and rolled instinctively. In the whole sequence, I believe Cav was properly penalized, but Haussler should share some blame for the point of impact causing the crash.

Well, if someone sprinted like Cavendish to me, (and the crash did not happen), he should have run for another couple of hours at least...

 

[CPAvelo]

Well, if someone sprinted like Cavendish to me, (and the crash did not happen), he should have run for another couple of hours at least...

I don't follow you. I think we agree Cavendish deviated from his line more than Haussler. I just think Haussler shares some blame. Not 50/50, but maybe 80/20 caused primarily by Cavendish.

 

[stefrees]

I don't follow you. I think we agree Cavendish deviated from his line more than Haussler. I just think Haussler shares some blame. Not 50/50, but maybe 80/20 caused primarily by Cavendish.

exactly as i see it. cav was wrong to deviate as much, but haussler did turn into to cavs wheel.

 

[Boardslide]

As I said before, Cav's front wheel collapses. The wheel veers left away from the line he was taking and collapsed from under him, now I know why.

This is the last in a sequence of events. You all need to take a very close look.

Quite clearly just before bodily contact you can see Hausler turn his front wheel right in towards Cavendish, he is steering right by turning the bars, his wheels are no longer in line but Cav's still are in line. Hausler does not hold his line, Cavendish does.

Then Hausler leans his bike way over to the left whilst still heading more sharply into Cavendish who has still not deviated from his slightly left trajectory. At this point Hausler has surprisingly steered way right into Cav, who is still holding his line. It looks as if Hausler's right arm hits Cav's side/hip.

Hausler's front wheel rim then goes in front of Cav's left foot and clips the rear of Cav's front wheel causing it to twist left and collapse and Cavendish goes down. Hausler steers away to his left and might have stayed up except that Cav's front wheel (now parallel to the ground) hits the bottom of his and down he goes.

As the Eurosport commentator ex-pro Brian Smith said about Cavendish "I don't think he veered off line he just drifted over" - just like all sprinters do, and there has been nothing wrong with that in the past.

Since close inspection shows Hausler steering into Cavendish whose fault is it?

BTW I am running (and rerunning) my HD Eurosport recording in slow motion on my 32" HD TV with stills so it's much clearer than YouTube. Anyone want me to mail them the sequence of stills?

If you look at the video just after the bend you see the problems starting where Hausler swings sharply to the right forcing Cav near to the barriers and then swinging back sharpely to the left in order to overtake Cioleck when the real action starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg

 

[Alpechraxler]

Does somebody know on which side Ciolek broke his scaphoid lately ? He was going down on his hand quite hard today.

 

[search]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg

Cav's fault I'd say.

Who is the Garmin rider crashing on the white lines?

I think it's Hesjedal (and I think he got hit by another bike, that's why he crashes)

at least you can see the garmin driver standing up and riding to the finish line (while two from Saxo Bank, one from Lotto and one from Liquigas cross the line) and that would fit to Hesjedals placement in the stage classification

 

[flicker]

Sorry, Haus turned into cavs rear wheel HARD! Not intentially but Hauslers fault.

 

[campagnolo1]

what?

Sorry, Haus turned into cavs rear wheel HARD! Not intentially but Hauslers fault.

i guess you did not see the video shot from above where it is very very clear who deviated from their line. using the road markings for reference (since it seems you need more help) it is clear that haussler (check your spelling) is holding his line dead on. cavendish clearly cuts into him. wreckless sprinting... welcome back the days of mcewen! thought those days were behind us.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

exactly as i see it. cav was wrong to deviate as much, but haussler did turn into to cavs wheel.

The reason Haussler 'turns' in to Cav's wheel is because he was hit by Cav's hip on his right arm/shoulder.
Check the video and see where there elbows are - Cav's are ahead of HH.

What happens when you take a hit like that? To keep upright you will turn right as HH did.

Cav wasn't malicious - but he was trying to give a 'bump' to HH as he was running out of gas.

 

[131313]

If you look at the video just after the bend you see the problems starting where Hausler swings sharply to the right forcing Cav near to the barriers and then swinging back sharpely to the left in order to overtake Cioleck when the real action starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg

We must be watching a different race or something. HH is going straight, Cav is sweeping hard left. From the one camera angle, it does look like HH is moving to his right--but that's because the camera is all the way to his left! The shot from the top makes this perfectly clear.

That trigonometry thing can be a killer. Stay in school, kids!

All that said, I'm changing my mind: it's Ciolek's fault. I think we can all agree that if he were a little faster, none of this would have happened.

 

[michel700c]

Cavendish was being Cavendish. His front wheel collapsed from a powerful side load and immediately caused the crash. Perhaps if he'd been riding a box section aluminum rim there would have been a clean sprint finish.

 

[BroDeal]

Cavendish was being Cavendish. His front wheel collapsed from a powerful side load and immediately caused the crash. Perhaps if he'd been riding a box section aluminum rim there would have been a clean sprint finish.

The wheel could not support the weight of Cavendouche's ego. I'm not sure if aluminum would have held up either.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Sorry, Haus turned into cavs rear wheel HARD! Not intentially but Hauslers fault.

You're either stirring the pot or blind. I hope it's the former.

 

[Supervet]

exactly as i see it. cav was wrong to deviate as much, but haussler did turn into to cavs wheel.

As the pictures show and as I stated above, Hausler's wheel goes into Cav's, however, Hausler has a 'variation' on the truth of the pictures.

Haussler said in a team statement. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it, I went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”

Quite clearly not true from the slomo and stills. He knows what he did.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

As the pictures show and as I stated above, Hausler's wheel goes into Cav's, however, Hausler has a 'variation' on the truth of the pictures.

Haussler said in a team statement. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it, I went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”

Quite clearly not true from the slomo and stills. He knows what he did.

You need to go back over your video - the only reason HH moves the bars to the right is because Cav had hit HH's arm/shoulder with his hip.

Cav went to bump him because he was running out of gas - and misjudged it.

 

[Ferminal]

As the pictures show and as I stated above, Hausler's wheel goes into Cav's, however, Hausler has a 'variation' on the truth of the pictures.

Haussler said in a team statement. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it, I went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”

Quite clearly not true from the slomo and stills. He knows what he did.

Actually, "that" picture shows nothing of what happened - all it shows is lots of people in a straight line and Cav falling to the ground.

Honestly, it's very unlikely that Cav's intentions were to cause a crash, but to say that he was the innocent party is far fetched. Cav moving aggressively caused them to be close together - bump bump bump, when you're that close at full power it's no surprise what the end result is.

You would have a better foundation for blaming Haussler by suggesting he's DUI again.

 

[B.Rasmussen]

Actually, "that" picture shows nothing of what happened - all it shows is lots of people in a straight line and Cav falling to the ground.

If it's all Haussler's fault and he turned into Cavendish's wheel, why is he parallel to all the other sprinters in the field?

Honestly, it's very unlikely that Cav's intentions were to cause a crash, but to say that he was the innocent party is far fetched.

You would have a better foundation for blaming Haussler by suggesting he's DUI again.

You're wasting your time. Look at the other thread about this as well, and you'll see sad fanboys trying to change reality to move the blame from their hero to everybody else. Next it will probably be Boonen who is at fault for not sprinting fast enough to be side by side with Cav to prevent him from going all over the place.

This is beyond silly. Cav messed up and caused a crash. End of story.

 

[Tangled Tango]

You need to go back over your video - the only reason HH moves the bars to the right is because Cav had hit HH's arm/shoulder with his hip.

Cav went to bump him because he was running out of gas - and misjudged it.

Agreed except I´m not sure about Cav running out of gas, but he definitely left his line to move over and into Haussler. It appears Cav was a little ahead but not clear of Haussler as he moved into him. Either horrible bike handling skills (doubtful) or intentional bumping (obvious), he caused the crash. And only a 200 franc penalty. He got off easy. Haussler reacted in self defense.

 

[Ferminal]

You're wasting your time. Look at the other thread about this as well, and you'll see sad fanboys trying to change reality to move the blame from their hero to everybody else. Next it will probably be Boonen who is at fault for not sprinting fast enough to be side by side with Cav to prevent him from going all over the place.

This is beyond silly. Cav messed up and caused a crash. End of story.

Well I think people are overreacting suggesting that it was as terrible as Bos. It was just a bad sprint.

But trying to blame Haussler is nonsensical.