Transfers and Rumours 2016 > 2017

[dirkprovin]

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Fairly certain that Matthews will be out of OGE - Rift between rider and team.

any more details?

so who could afford him? BMC? DiData (if they splash more the cash)?

Sky have been mentioned. With that classics team at his disposal he'd probably just have to stay upright to win MSR.

Think the issue is Gerrans centred. Gerrans contract runs out end of 2017, he'll be 37 and retirement would have to be a very high possibility. Think he would only be given precedence at TdU next year in any case.

The thing is that what other teams would Matthews be given the precedence that he already has. SKY is Anglo and can offer the $$$$ but just where would he be in their "pecking order" ? He's certainly far less "labour entensive" than most sprinters when it comes to GT but wouldn't he be competing for precedence with Kwia for Amstel & maybe MSR ? He's expressed an interest at RVV, isn't that Stannard turf ?

Giant ?? Is Degenkolb going to be happy with internal competition ?

D-D ? EBH already there and what level of support ? Can they offer the $$$

BMC ? Phil & Greg still in residence and whilst age may be wearying the former, not sure either are interested in "moving on" or rolling out the welcome mat to major competition. Can offer the $$$ but the support ?

Realistically, the issue at OGE remains Gerrans and the heirarchy would have to be monumental idiots not to spell it out loud & clear to Gerrans that he gets precedence at TdU but when it gets to Europe, others have precedence. Ball in his court as to what he does at the end of 2017. If he wants to keep riding, then terms are as a support rider ...... or find another team.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Fairly certain that Matthews will be out of OGE - Rift between rider and team.

any more details?

so who could afford him? BMC? DiData (if they splash more the cash)?

Sky have been mentioned. With that classics team at his disposal he'd probably just have to stay upright to win MSR.

Think the issue is Gerrans centred. Gerrans contract runs out end of 2017, he'll be 37 and retirement would have to be a very high possibility. Think he would only be given precedence at TdU next year in any case.

The thing is that what other teams would Matthews be given the precedence that he already has. SKY is Anglo and can offer the $$$$ but just where would he be in their "pecking order" ? He's certainly far less "labour entensive" than most sprinters when it comes to GT but wouldn't he be competing for precedence with Kwia for Amstel & maybe MSR ? He's expressed an interest at RVV, isn't that Stannard turf ?

Giant ?? Is Degenkolb going to be happy with internal competition ?

D-D ? EBH already there and what level of support ? Can they offer the $$$

BMC ? Phil & Greg still in residence and whilst age may be wearying the former, not sure either are interested in "moving on" or rolling out the welcome mat to major competition. Can offer the $$$ but the support ?

Realistically, the issue at OGE remains Gerrans and the heirarchy would have to be monumental idiots not to spell it out loud & clear to Gerrans that he gets precedence at TdU but when it gets to Europe, others have precedence. Ball in his court as to what he does at the end of 2017. If he wants to keep riding, then terms are as a support rider ...... or find another team.

Be a similar situation to what Kwait had at QS with Cav, Alaphilippe and Stybar. When it comes to at least La Classicissima you add Bling to G, Kennaugh, Kwait and Swift in the final with Stannard and Rowe working prior to that it's very hard to beat.

 

[dirkprovin]

Re: Re:

Fairly certain that Matthews will be out of OGE - Rift between rider and team.

any more details?

so who could afford him? BMC? DiData (if they splash more the cash)?

Sky have been mentioned. With that classics team at his disposal he'd probably just have to stay upright to win MSR.

Think the issue is Gerrans centred. Gerrans contract runs out end of 2017, he'll be 37 and retirement would have to be a very high possibility. Think he would only be given precedence at TdU next year in any case.

The thing is that what other teams would Matthews be given the precedence that he already has. SKY is Anglo and can offer the $$$$ but just where would he be in their "pecking order" ? He's certainly far less "labour entensive" than most sprinters when it comes to GT but wouldn't he be competing for precedence with Kwia for Amstel & maybe MSR ? He's expressed an interest at RVV, isn't that Stannard turf ?

Giant ?? Is Degenkolb going to be happy with internal competition ?

D-D ? EBH already there and what level of support ? Can they offer the $$$

BMC ? Phil & Greg still in residence and whilst age may be wearying the former, not sure either are interested in "moving on" or rolling out the welcome mat to major competition. Can offer the $$$ but the support ?

Realistically, the issue at OGE remains Gerrans and the heirarchy would have to be monumental idiots not to spell it out loud & clear to Gerrans that he gets precedence at TdU but when it gets to Europe, others have precedence. Ball in his court as to what he does at the end of 2017. If he wants to keep riding, then terms are as a support rider ...... or find another team.

Be a similar situation to what Kwait had at QS with Cav, Alaphilippe and Stybar. When it comes to at least La Classicissima you add Bling to G, Kennaugh, Kwait and Swift in the final with Stannard and Rowe working prior to that it's very hard to beat.

But are they going to be happy to cede precedence to the new guy coming in when a number of them would be wanting it for themselves ? Is Bling going to be happy potentially ceding precedence to someone else in the races that HE is targetting ? Very possibly facing the same scenario as the Gerrans one he's had recently at OGE; the geography and cast may differ but potentially the same script and plot-line.

 

[coimbrawu]

IAM cycling team will be unfolded at the end of the season

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

Fairly certain that Matthews will be out of OGE - Rift between rider and team.

any more details?

so who could afford him? BMC? DiData (if they splash more the cash)?

Sky have been mentioned. With that classics team at his disposal he'd probably just have to stay upright to win MSR.

Think the issue is Gerrans centred. Gerrans contract runs out end of 2017, he'll be 37 and retirement would have to be a very high possibility. Think he would only be given precedence at TdU next year in any case.

The thing is that what other teams would Matthews be given the precedence that he already has. SKY is Anglo and can offer the $$$$ but just where would he be in their "pecking order" ? He's certainly far less "labour entensive" than most sprinters when it comes to GT but wouldn't he be competing for precedence with Kwia for Amstel & maybe MSR ? He's expressed an interest at RVV, isn't that Stannard turf ?

Giant ?? Is Degenkolb going to be happy with internal competition ?

D-D ? EBH already there and what level of support ? Can they offer the $$$

BMC ? Phil & Greg still in residence and whilst age may be wearying the former, not sure either are interested in "moving on" or rolling out the welcome mat to major competition. Can offer the $$$ but the support ?

Realistically, the issue at OGE remains Gerrans and the heirarchy would have to be monumental idiots not to spell it out loud & clear to Gerrans that he gets precedence at TdU but when it gets to Europe, others have precedence. Ball in his court as to what he does at the end of 2017. If he wants to keep riding, then terms are as a support rider ...... or find another team.

Be a similar situation to what Kwait had at QS with Cav, Alaphilippe and Stybar. When it comes to at least La Classicissima you add Bling to G, Kennaugh, Kwait and Swift in the final with Stannard and Rowe working prior to that it's very hard to beat.

In reality is Matthews going to be happy with that situation? Gets leadership for MSR with Sky then what happens? He's stated a few times now that he really wants to win AGR and he is a pretty ambitious guy so I really can't see how Matthews and Sky is really an option.
BMC looks like a good option, GVA is staying but Gilbert won't be at BMC next season so I can see them stumping up the cash to bring Matthews on board

 

[dirkprovin]

Yes, BMC makes more sense than SKY. Money not an issue but will there be the support, and the degree of freedom that he has been given over the past 2 years.

IF the Gerrans situation can be resolved then he would probably be best served staying where he is as OGE will certainly up his dollars; if not matching the likes of BMC but something "in the ball park". If it isn't, then OGE hierarchy should give themselves an uppercut.

 

[TMP402]

Thomas extends with Sky for another two years so that's the end of that.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-extends-contract-with-team-sky/

 

[TMP402]

So here is IAM's final roster:

Marcel Aregger (SUI) (aged 25)
Matthias Brändle (AUT) (aged 26)
Clément Chevrier (FRA) (aged 23)
Stef Clement (NED) (aged 33)
Jérôme Coppel (FRA) (aged 29)
Stefan Denifl (AUT) (aged 28)
Dries Devenyns (BEL) (aged 32)
Martin Elmiger (SUI) (aged 37)
Sondre Holst Enger (NOR) (aged 22)
Mathias Frank (SUI) (aged 29)
Jonathan Fumeaux (SUI) (aged 28)
Heinrich Haussler (AUS) (aged 32)
Reto Hollenstein (SUI) (aged 30)
Leigh Howard (AUS) (aged 26)
Roger Kluge (GER) (aged 30)
Vegard Laengen (NOR) (aged 27)
Pirmin Lang (SUI) (aged 31)
Oliver Naesen (BEL) (aged 25)
Jarlinson Pantano (COL) (aged 27)
Simon Pellaud (SUI) (aged 23)
Matteo Pelucchi (ITA) (aged 27)
Vicente Reynès (ESP) (aged 34)
Aleksejs Saramotins (LAT) (aged 33)
David Tanner (AUS) (aged 31)
Jonas Vangenechten (BEL) (aged 29)
Larry Warbasse (USA) (aged 25)
Marcel Wyss (SUI) (aged 29)
Oliver Zaugg (SUI) (aged 34)

Which riders do people think will retire, stay at WT (and where?), or drop down to the lower tiers?

 

[MatParker117]

Sprinters will get interest as will Frank, Coppel & Tanner. Could see Pelucchi at the Bahrain team.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Brandle, Laenger and Enger are good prospects. I could see Haussler move to Giant and play second fid to Degenstache as well.

 

[Ricco']

Zaugg, Elmiger, Reynes and Clement should be retiring.

Brändle, Coppel, Denifl, Devenyns, Enger, Frank, Howard and Pantano are surely WT material.


Van Genechten to Wanty could work.

Team Roth could step up a level or two with some of the swiss riders that are available.

 

[Krokro]

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Zaugg, Elmiger, Reynes and Clement should be retiring.

Brändle, Coppel, Denifl, Devenyns, Enger, Frank, Howard and Pantano are surely WT material.


Van Genechten to Wanty could work.

Team Roth could step up a level or two with some of the swiss riders that are available.

This. Fully agreed with the WT material. Lot of average/good guys will be available in the market.

 

[Samamba]

Greipel & Sieberg extend their contract with @Lotto_Soudal until the end of 2018

 

[Hgriffiths2606]

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Be a similar situation to what Kwait had at QS with Cav, Alaphilippe and Stybar. When it comes to at least La Classicissima you add Bling to G, Kennaugh, Kwait and Swift in the final with Stannard and Rowe working prior to that it's very hard to beat.[/quote]
In reality is Matthews going to be happy with that situation? Gets leadership for MSR with Sky then what happens? He's stated a few times now that he really wants to win AGR and he is a pretty ambitious guy so I really can't see how Matthews and Sky is really an option.
BMC looks like a good option, GVA is staying but Gilbert won't be at BMC next season so I can see them stumping up the cash to bring Matthews on board[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Gerrans is such an arsehole, he sees nobody but himself in races, anyone else would have led out Matthews at the worlds, but he though he was better placed to win!!! I don't see that relationship improving and OGE being OGE will throw away a great talent for Gerro, so Sky for me because of their money and the firepower they would give him, apparently that looks like happening

 

[Lexman]

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Zaugg, Elmiger, Reynes and Clement should be retiring.

Brändle, Coppel, Denifl, Devenyns, Enger, Frank, Howard and Pantano are surely WT material.


Van Genechten to Wanty could work.

Team Roth could step up a level or two with some of the swiss riders that are available.

Coppel goes back to Cofidis or maybe FDJ?

Naessen I guess to Lotto

 

[GP Blanco]

Maybe Clement to Roompot to replace Honig or Hoogerland.

 

[yaco]

The more interesting story is Kruuswiik is uncontracted for 2017. Must appeal to teams because then you get a GC rider who will finish top 5 year after year in the Giro.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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Zaugg, Elmiger, Reynes and Clement should be retiring.

Brändle, Coppel, Denifl, Devenyns, Enger, Frank, Howard and Pantano are surely WT material.


Van Genechten to Wanty could work.

Team Roth could step up a level or two with some of the swiss riders that are available.

Coppel goes back to Cofidis or maybe FDJ?

Naessen I guess to Lotto

I could see Devenyns go to Lotto-NL
Also could another team step up a level next year?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Howard to go to Dimension Data and join the HTC alumni club. Antón to be ousted and go to Murias Taldea.

 

[TMP402]

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Also could another team step up a level next year?

Well the alleged Bahrain and Riis projects could both use some "startup" riders. Between IAM and Tinkoff, there's enough for both.

As for moving up, ONE is the only pro conti team I'm sure want to become WT. They do a nice line in Poles and antipodeans, so I can't see them minding a new Swiss backbone to the team. I don't know about other pro conti teams.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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The more interesting story is Kruuswiik is uncontracted for 2017. Must appeal to teams because then you get a GC rider who will finish top 5 year after year in the Giro.

And his shoulders have got to be good news for sponsor exposure: far more square centimetres of TV screen than any other climber.

 

[staubsauger]

Kruijswijk might play around with offers from teams like BMC & Trek and he might even sign there. But mainly that guy strikes me as super loyal to the guys that stayed loyal to him during his artery disease.

LottoNL is runned by the people that managed the former Rabobank development team when Steven was there ain't it? He's likely willing to help them getting a bigger sponsorship than Lotto can offer and he probably's gonna demand full leadership status with Gesink forced to become his super domestique. Bianchi might increase their paycheck as well.

That said, he first has to win this Giro and if he does so the question remains whether he would target the 2017 Giro or the polka dot jersey at the 2017 Tour afterwards.

 

[pastronef]

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Howard to go to Dimension Data and join the HTC alumni club. Antón to be ousted and go to Murias Taldea.

he gave signs of life in the first MTF when Wellens won the stage
I hope to see him in a breakaway from tomorrow

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Howard to go to Dimension Data and join the HTC alumni club. Antón to be ousted and go to Murias Taldea.

he gave signs of life in the first MTF when Wellens won the stage
I hope to see him in a breakaway from tomorrow

The thing about Anton for years is he is contend with following wheels until he can't hold on more. More or less since 2012. I don't understand - why hasn't he tried just once in this Giro? I don't remember any break from him either in last year's Giro despite it being free for all on Movistar..

Weird rider he has become.

 

[StryderHells]

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Howard to go to Dimension Data and join the HTC alumni club. Antón to be ousted and go to Murias Taldea.

he gave signs of life in the first MTF when Wellens won the stage
I hope to see him in a breakaway from tomorrow

The thing about Anton for years is he is contend with following wheels until he can't hold on more. More or less since 2012. I don't understand - why hasn't he tried just once in this Giro? I don't remember any break from him either in last year's Giro despite it being free for all on Movistar..

Weird rider he has become.

Anton strikes me as a rider who peaked early with a couple of good seasons and has been trading of that ever since, keeps getting contracts but isn't really upto standard anymore