Tyler's Book

[JPM London]

This.

Lars is probably smart enough to realize there's a concerted effort to rid the sport of the dopers, users, pushers, complicit DS's and doctors... which has the possibility of threatening his future.

It's often nowadays that you miss the Frank Drebin - "nothing-to-see-here" clips isn't it?

 

[Criteriums!]

we have been missing so much of the true story

Stories like this show that the fans have been missing so much of the drama of pro racing. I can't wait to learn more of the real reasons why the pros have "bad legs" or whatever the excuse is. I want to also know why Lance lost all that weight that one stage in the tour. Maybe that will come out too. Like he took too many water pills to beat a test or something... Anyway, pretty crazy to think a guy injected messed up blood into his body and had to survive the next day ignoring any thoughts that he might get super sick and need to go to the hospital at any minute..

Crickey!

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Hamilton was shaky with a fever, suffering from a skull-cracking headache and urinating blood -- not a mere rosy tinge of it, but "dark, dark red, almost black'' blood.

He knew exactly why. "I'd transfused a bag full of dead blood cells,'' he writes in the matter-of-fact manner the rest of us might use to describe ingesting a bad oyster. "My body felt toxic ... I got my phone and set it next to me on the bed, in case I had to call for an ambulance.''

Instead, Hamilton took aspirin and drank water and said goodbye to his dog. The next day, he got back on his bike and rode a 100-mile flat stage. "That's the horrible, beautiful thing about bike racing,'' he writes. "You keep going.''

 

[BotanyBay]

How does one make a poll here?

I want to make mine titled:

"How long before Lance sues Tyler?"

He won't fight USADA, but he'll want to screw Tyler over as badly as possible (as a message to everyone else who might choose to write a book).

 

[thehog]

How does one make a poll here?

I want to make mine titled:

"How long before Lance sues Tyler?"

He won't fight USADA, but he'll want to screw Tyler over as badly as possible (as a message to everyone else who might choose to write a book).

You're kidding me. He's not sueing anyone. Not a chance.

If you're going to sue a book release you do it with an injunction against the publisher. Not the author.

 

[Kennf1]

How does one make a poll here?

I want to make mine titled:

"How long before Lance sues Tyler?"

He won't fight USADA, but he'll want to screw Tyler over as badly as possible (as a message to everyone else who might choose to write a book).

That poll will result in 100% saying "never." He would have sued for the 60 minutes interview if that was the plan.

 

[BotanyBay]

OK, fair 'nuf

 

[Race Radio]

Can anyone comment on why a guy would fill up on blood before a flat stage? Need a ruling, sounds a little strange.

Transfusions can be a bit of a shock to the system. Usually they are taking the night before the rest day or an easy stage

 

[Anonymous]

Transfusions can be a bit of a shock to the system. Usually they are taking the night before the rest day or an easy stage

Looks like you were getting a transfusion of Westmalle Dubbel just yesterday... feeling better today?

 

[thehog]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

The kicker? Armstrong himself arranged the meeting, Floyd Landis tells Hamilton. Landis alleges that Armstrong helped bring down the UCI's anti-doping authorities on his main competitors including Hamilton and Euskaltel's Iban Mayo.

"He called Hein, after Ventoux. Said you guys and Mayo were on some new ****, told Hein to stop you,"*Landis is quoted as saying.



- So Lance took down Tyler & Mayo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network

 

[KayLow]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

Just to clarify, an autologous transfusion is a transfusion involving one's own blood. Hamilton was busted for a homologous transfusion, which involves the transfusion of someone else's blood.

 

[Anonymous]

Just to clarify, an autologous transfusion is a transfusion involving one's own blood. Hamilton was busted for a homologous transfusion, which involves the transfusion of someone else's blood.

Which was so very stupid on Tyler's part (or his 'doctors'). Mixing up riders blood bags is not only easily identified through dope tests but a potentially fatal error.

 

[thehog]

Which was so very stupid on Tyler's part (or his 'doctors'). Mixing up riders blood bags is not only easily identified through dope tests but a potentially fatal error.

I think you missed the point.... he was called in on instruction from Lance. The switched blood bag in this instance never was. It was a warning not to "outperform" Lance.

 

[BroDeal]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

The kicker? Armstrong himself arranged the meeting, Floyd Landis tells Hamilton. Landis alleges that Armstrong helped bring down the UCI's anti-doping authorities on his main competitors including Hamilton and Euskaltel's Iban Mayo.

"He called Hein, after Ventoux. Said you guys and Mayo were on some new ****, told Hein to stop you,"*Landis is quoted as saying.

- So Lance took down Tyler & Mayo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network

I heard that a long time ago. I heard two versions. In one Armstrong dropped a dime a Hamilton using info that the two had discussed when they were friends. In the other Armstrong dropped a dime on Mayo, and Hamilton was caught as a result.

 

[Epicycle]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

The kicker? Armstrong himself arranged the meeting, Floyd Landis tells Hamilton. Landis alleges that Armstrong helped bring down the UCI's anti-doping authorities on his main competitors including Hamilton and Euskaltel's Iban Mayo.

"He called Hein, after Ventoux. Said you guys and Mayo were on some new ****, told Hein to stop you,"*Landis is quoted as saying.



- So Lance took down Tyler & Mayo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network

Yeah Lance's targeting of Mayo actually came out in 2004. Lance was worried about Mayo:

Armstrong's warning

On the eve of the second stage of the Dauphiné Libéré in France, US Postal Service spokesman Jörg Muller confirmed that Lance Armstrong did send an e-mail to the Tour de France, UCI, and WADA warning of a specific doping method, as described in former Tour adjunct director Daniel Baal's new book, released Tuesday.

Despite insinuations by the French newspaper Le Monde that Armstrong's concern over the possible use of synthetic haemoglobin (derived from bovine blood) in the peloton was directed at his Spanish rivals in particular, Baal and the team both insist that the message was one of general interest and not an attack by the American.

"I saw the e-mail with my own eyes and there was nothing mean-spirited in Armstrong's message," Baal said, quoted in Tuesday's l'Equipe. "He said it in his usual fashion: Do what you can to look into this product..."

US Postal added that "He never accused the Spanish. We're surprised that the information would come out like that, as it can only spark a fight between the riders."

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jun04/jun08news2

The e-mail Lance sent to the Tour directors didn't specifically mention Mayo, but I bet his e-mail to the UCI was much different. Interesting that it doesn't sound like that was Lance's first e-mail like this either.

 

[BotanyBay]

Yeah Lance's targeting of Mayo actually came out in 2004. Lance was worried about Mayo:



http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jun04/jun08news2

The e-mail Lance sent to the Tour directors didn't specifically mention Mayo, but I bet his e-mail to the UCI was much different. Interesting that it doesn't sound like that was Lance's first e-mail like this either.

Holy crap, Marie! I'd never heard of this before.

 

[wagman67]

So, what is the generally feeling about those riders that have doped, gotten caught, denied and denied, and then admitted they doped, like Hamilton (obviously, the subject of this thread), Landis, Ullrich, Riis, etc..?

It kind of seems like people in this forum are okay with dopers...as long as they admit they are dopers. Seems to me that if someone is a cheat, and it upsets you that they are a cheat, it shouldn't really change your mind if they admit to it, but it sure seems people rally around and even praise them for 'coming clean' about doping (kind of ironic phrasing).

I have long maintained a mindset that doping is going on and if they get caught, they get caught. I am no more or less a fan of them for it.

I am a fan of all mentioned above as well as Armstrong, Contador, and Schleck, who have been 'caught', but still plead innocent.

There is one bit of truth in what Liggett said in his now infamous interview, and that is that doping will only put you over the top by a small percentage. It will not miraculously make a champion out of a run of the mill rider...especially when all of the top contenders around you are doping as well.

Also, can anyone point to a great rider in the last 30 years and say...I can say without a single doubt, they have not doped? I can always hope they didn't, but I have no doubt that I will always have my doubts about every rider close to the front...but that will not stop me from cheering.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

The kicker? Armstrong himself arranged the meeting, Floyd Landis tells Hamilton. Landis alleges that Armstrong helped bring down the UCI's anti-doping authorities on his main competitors including Hamilton and Euskaltel's Iban Mayo.

"He called Hein, after Ventoux. Said you guys and Mayo were on some new ****, told Hein to stop you,"*Landis is quoted as saying.



- So Lance took down Tyler & Mayo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network

This absolutely refutes what we have been saying all along. Anyone who crosses lance ends up testing pos...and going down.

'level playing field' irony isn't it?

 

[BroDeal]

This is a story that needs to be spread. Armstrong apologists have tarred witnesses as rats. It turns out Armstrong was the biggest rat of them all. He was using the UCI to destroy his rivals.

Lance "The Rat" Armstrong, the Whitey Bulger of the peloton.

If you saw Scorcese's movie The Departed, Jack Nicholson's character was based on Boston mafioso Whitey Bulger, who got rid of rival gangsters by ratting on them to the FBI even as he was murdering people as head of the most powerful faction of the Irish mafia.

 

[Roland Rat]

This story is utterly remarkable. I'm gobsmacked. That would explain why other pro's are never willing to speak out.

Oh, and Brodeal, The Departed has just started on UK TV.

 

[Cerberus]

There is one bit of truth in what Liggett said in his now infamous interview, and that is that doping will only put you over the top by a small percentage. It will not miraculously make a champion out of a run of the mill rider...especially when all of the top contenders around you are doping as well.

That was true before the nineties, it might even be true again today, but it certainly wasn't true when Armstrong rode. Sure EPO would never turn me (an average person) into a Tour winner, but a middle of the pack Tour rider can and has been turned into Tour winners by doping.

The clearest example is probably Bjarne Riis. He floundered around at GC placements around 100 before he started on EPO. after he started using EPO he was turned into a contender an eventual winner almost overnight, a transformation that can be credited, not exclusively, but certainly primarily to the drugs.

Armstrong is in fact another example. Even though he was almost certainly also using EPO back then he was abysmal in the Tour GC for his first Tours. In the Pre-Epo era great champions often podiumed in their first GT at similar age, but Armstrong could neither TT nor climb worth a damn.

After his return from cancer he got a better program and he became a contender. Was Armstrong talented? Sure. Did he work hard? Of cause. But pretending that the gains from doping are marginal, and that Armstrong would have been in the running for anything except the Lantern Rouge if he'd been clean? That's just not the reality of doping in that era.

 

[gheizhwinder]

If you saw Scorcese's movie The Departed, Jack Nicholson's character was based on Boston mafioso Whitey Bulger, who got rid of rival gangsters by ratting on them to the FBI even as he was murdering people as head of the most powerful faction of the Irish mafia.

Which film is, by curious coincidence, on UK television right now.

 

[KayLow]

This absolutely refutes what we have been saying all along. Anyone who crosses lance ends up testing pos...and going down.

'level playing field' irony isn't it?

Using the logic of the "level playing field" crowd, every rider had the opportunity to dope, win a couple of Tours, become untouchable by the cycling authorities, and then use that untouchable status to ensure that no other competitors could win future Tours. Cheating is a path open to anyone, so according to the line of argument frequently employed by Lance's most realistic supporters (they seem to concede that he did likely dope) the playing field is always level.

 

[luckyboy]

Is the release date September 8th US only? Everywhere in the UK seems to say the 18th still

Tried to pre-order from Amazon.com and it quoted me £26 for shipping asap

 

[VeloCity]

There is one bit of truth in what Liggett said in his now infamous interview, and that is that doping will only put you over the top by a small percentage.

There is no truth in that at all.

The drugs are everywhere, and as Hamilton explains, Armstrong was not just another cyclist caught in the middle of an established drug culture—he was a pioneer pushing into uncharted territory. In this sense, the book destroys another myth: that everyone was doing it, so Armstrong was, in a weird way, just competing on a level playing field. There was no level playing field. With his connections to Michele Ferrari, the best dishonest doctor in the business, Armstrong was always “two years ahead of what everybody else was doing.” Even on the Postal squad, there was a pecking order. Lance got the superior treatments.

It's not doping per se that'll make you a champion, that's true, but how you dope and what you have access to will make a huge difference, as it apparently did for Armstrong.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...Keyes-hamilton-the-secret-race.html?168178276

 

[CMDiva]

Hamilton states in the book that he was called into the UCI headquarters to meet with then-president Hein Verbruggen and Dr. Mario Zorzoli, the UCI's chief medical officer, where he was informed that his blood tests indicated autologous transfusion - blood from another person - after the Ventoux stage of the 2004 Dauphiné Libéré.

The kicker? Armstrong himself arranged the meeting, Floyd Landis tells Hamilton. Landis alleges that Armstrong helped bring down the UCI's anti-doping authorities on his main competitors including Hamilton and Euskaltel's Iban Mayo.

"He called Hein, after Ventoux. Said you guys and Mayo were on some new ****, told Hein to stop you,"*Landis is quoted as saying.



- So Lance took down Tyler & Mayo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network

My first thought after all the ex-Posties tested positive was that Wonderboy was behind it, but I just convinced myself that my tin-foil hat was too tight. Lesson: trust your gut.