Tyler's Book

[Wallace]

Problem being Ty cant admit to himself that he's a fairly average athlete without the drugs.

I saw Tyler as a junior: he was insanely talented--I knew a former euro pro who said that 17 year old Tyler was the hugest talent he'd ever seen. You don't win LBL, drugs or no drugs, without being a monster.

Tyler used the same formula as all the other pros of his era: take an exceptional athlete, have them train like machines, monitor everything they eat, and pump them full of drugs=winner.

The only thing average about Tyler as a pro was his bike handling skills, which seriously suck. Remember when he almost crashed in the Giro TT? On a dry course on a corner no one else was having problems with. No wonder he was always injured. If he'd been better at staying upright, he'd have cheated his way to a lot more wins.

 

[thehog]

I saw Tyler as a junior: he was insanely talented--I knew a former euro pro who said that 17 year old Tyler was the hugest talent he'd ever seen. You don't win LBL, drugs or no drugs, without being a monster.

Tyler used the same formula as all the other pros of his era: take an exceptional athlete, have them train like machines, monitor everything they eat, and pump them full of drugs=winner.

The only thing average about Tyler as a pro was his bike handling skills, which seriously suck. Remember when he almost crashed in the Giro TT? On a dry course on a corner no one else was having problems with. No wonder he was always injured. If he'd been better at staying upright, he'd have cheated his way to a lot more wins.

Really? Even though he wasn't riding competitively at 17. He was still skiing at 20.

Great story.

 

[Wallace]

Really? Even though he wasn't riding competitively at 17. He was still skiing at 20.

Great story.

Self-righteous much? 1st sentence of wikipedia: "Hamilton attended Holderness School in Holderness, New Hampshire, where he started cycling."

That's high school--by the way.

Tyler skied and raced, and gave up competitive skiing after a back injury in college. In Marblehead as a junior in the late 80's he raced for CBC--the same team as Richard Fries, the bike race announcer. As a junior, in high school, he broke the CBC TT course record, before he had seriously started racing.

Everyone in bike racing in New England was talking about Tyler before he went off to college. No one was surprise when he came back and won the college nationals when they were held in Belmont

Any other facts you feel like checking?

 

[BotanyBay]

KL does not work for Mellow Johnny's or Lance or any of his associates. He owns a coaching company and a training center, which is as you note located downstairs at Mellow Johnny's. The trainng center could be located anywhere, and Livingston does not depend on Lance for one penny of his livelihood. He also works for Medalist sports and is quite involved with the ToC and their other races. As much as you would like to keep using this line, it only shows how little you really know.

Cheers.

Whatever you say, Kev. Sounds like it's been a tense week down in Lance's basement...

So, do they sell knee-pads at the door of MJ's? Hero worship can be tough on the knees.

And wow, you don't think being located at "Lance Temple Central" drives traffic and opportunity to your "me too, former pro coaches wanna-be masters fatties" business? I'm sure you could get a cheaper lease if you rented out an old Krispy Kreme.

Here's one, not far from McSorely's Ale house in the East Village of Manhattan. Plenty of wealthy Lance wanna-be's in the East Vil:

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Self-righteous much? 1st sentence of wikipedia: "Hamilton attended Holderness School in Holderness, New Hampshire, where he started cycling."

That's high school--by the way.

Tyler skied and raced, and gave up competitive skiing after a back injury in college. In Marblehead as a junior in the late 80's he raced for CBC--the same team as Richard Fries, the bike race announcer. As a junior, in high school, he broke the CBC TT course record, before he had seriously started racing.

Everyone in bike racing in New England was talking about Tyler before he went off to college. No one was surprise when he came back and won the college nationals when they were held in Belmont

Any other facts you feel like checking, ***?

I dunno. The Tyler Hamilton Foundation page seems to indicate he started cycling after his injury, meaning he started in his early 20s.

http://www.tylerhamilton.com/cms/racing-history

 

[Estonia77]

Ok?

Self-righteous much? 1st sentence of wikipedia: "Hamilton attended Holderness School in Holderness, New Hampshire, where he started cycling."

That's high school--by the way.

Tyler skied and raced, and gave up competitive skiing after a back injury in college. In Marblehead as a junior in the late 80's he raced for CBC--the same team as Richard Fries, the bike race announcer. As a junior, in high school, he broke the CBC TT course record, before he had seriously started racing.

Everyone in bike racing in New England was talking about Tyler before he went off to college. No one was surprise when he came back and won the college nationals when they were held in Belmont

Previously stated .... Any other facts you feel like checking, my good friend and bussom buddy?

For future reference, please just post a link to Wikipedia so that the rest of us do not have to suffer through your pitiful attempt to paraphrase the content in its entirety. Oh ... and may I also ask that you please refrain from the use of profanity.

Much appreciated.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Debate to get to the facts is always fine, but go easy on the petty insults guys or I'll start handing out infractions.

Yes, links are always welcome.

 

[webster]

Frankie did not work for Lance, but was fired by one of his groupies the week after he testified.

If you think that Wonderboy will not be petty and vindictive against the *** it shows how little you really know

Unfortunately for Lance, KL does not care that much about saving Wonderboy's skin. He does just fine for himself.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Any other races Tyler won before he started cycling?

 

[Kennf1]

Unfortunately for Lance, KL does not care that much about saving Wonderboy's skin. He does just fine for himself.

He may not care about saving Lance, but the fact remains that he is a tenant at the MJ building (which gives him a lot of foot traffic exposure) and his business (Pedal Hard Training Center) is featured prominantly on MJ's website. I think it's naive to say that he won't suffer a penny financially if Lance goes down.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Kevin Livingstrong doesn't care about the Uniballer? Please. That's his paycheck.

 

[BotanyBay]

Kevin Livingstrong doesn't care about the Uniballer? Please. That's his paycheck.

Made out to "Kevin Alphonse Livingston"

 

[131313]

Any other races Tyler won before he started cycling?

I'm thinking his twin must have been the junior hotshot.

I'm always suspicious of the memories of old people, but some guy who works for our team raced as a Cat 3 back in Mass and said he raced against Tyler during the summer when he was home from school (or maybe high school). He claimed he was pretty average. Who knows.

Regardless, I think Bjarne's Amstel Gold and TDF wins show that you can indeed turn a donkey into a race horse with enough dope and determination. I don't see why Tyler would be any different, especially under Riis' tutelage.

 

[blackcat]

I saw Tyler as a junior: he was insanely talented--I knew a former euro pro who said that 17 year old Tyler was the hugest talent he'd ever seen. You don't win LBL, drugs or no drugs, without being a monster.

Tyler used the same formula as all the other pros of his era: take an exceptional athlete, have them train like machines, monitor everything they eat, and pump them full of drugs=winner.

The only thing average about Tyler as a pro was his bike handling skills, which seriously suck. Remember when he almost crashed in the Giro TT? On a dry course on a corner no one else was having problems with. No wonder he was always injured. If he'd been better at staying upright, he'd have cheated his way to a lot more wins.

and he started off like Leepy Lypheimer, as a skiier if I am correct. Think skiiers would naturally develop some fine motor skills thru their core that can be activated for bike handling.

 

[blackcat]

Regardless, I think Bjarne's Amstel Gold and TDF wins show that you can indeed turn a donkey into a race horse with enough dope and determination. I don't see why Tyler would be any different, especially under Riis' tutelage.

this.

A former USPS veteran agrees with this, and Leepy Lypheimer was considered a bit of a joke circa 1999 when he joined the Postal bus. Coming from a bagels regional squad, decidedly mediocre in the god given talent stakes.

big on determination, big on dope.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

this.

A former USPS veteran agrees with this, and Leepy Lypheimer was considered a bit of a joke circa 1999 when he joined the Postal bus. Coming from a bagels regional squad, decidedly mediocre in the god given talent stakes.

big on determination, big on dope.

Don't hate on the bagels squad. That bagel squad gave rise to Leipheimer and Zabriskie. Not bad for a small Salt Lake City team.

But I did hear the same thing that Levi started early on the sauce.

 

[Runitout]

Don't hate on the bagels squad. That bagel squad gave rise to Leipheimer and Zabriskie. Not bad for a small Salt Lake City team.

But I did hear the same thing that Levi started early on the sauce.

If the US Nationals Crit is anything to go by, he was adding salt to his diet by 1996.

 

[blackcat]

australian @Fly V won the US Nationals last year. Ben Kerby, former trackie.

 

[BotanyBay]

If the US Nationals Crit is anything to go by, he was adding salt to his diet by 1996.

And he got popped way back when you had to BEG to get popped. The juice was spilling out of his pores, it was so bad.

 

[fatandfast]

Seeing the independent publishers pick up on cycling books..nobody big. I wonder what the market is for Tyler's book. Parkin sold his to only cyclists,,by design I couldn't see it selling that many copies. Cav's book is poor at best..I hope Tyler gets help from somebody like Kimmage, Fartheringham or Wilkenson..Tyler probably has lots to say..O"Grady maybe

 

[BotanyBay]

Seeing the independent publishers pick up on cycling books..nobody big. I wonder what the market is for Tyler's book. Parkin sold his to only cyclists,,by design I couldn't see it selling that many copies. Cav's book is poor at best..I hope Tyler gets help from somebody like Kimmage, Fartheringham or Wilkenson..Tyler probably has lots to say..O"Grady maybe

As time passes by, his relevance wanes. If he's writing one, he'd better hook up with an agent and fast. I think after Lance's big blow-up hits its peak, there will be no American market for a Tyler book.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

He's going to have to completely spill his guts in the book. Then he's going to have to get help form people like Kimmage and Walsh, and directly ask if the writers at papers like SI or WSJ or NYT will review the book. Then, he's going to have to go on some sort of circuit, pushing the book. This will be hardest for him. He's going to have to not just volunteer, but push to be interviewed on TV, the web, magazines, and be at the mercy of whatever questions reporters ask. He would also benefit from going to book stores and cycling stores and reading excerpts from the book, signing a few, and answering questions. That's what's going to be most difficult for him. But if he can do that, the book will sell to more than just hardcore cyclists.

 

[Sanitiser]

Tyler hasn't had his name sullied as much Floyd so he might actually pull through and the book will be a success. The other factor is that he's better and more innocent/younger looking than Floyd I expect many people will be more willing to forgive him.

 

[flicker]

He's going to have to completely spill his guts in the book. Then he's going to have to get help form people like Kimmage and Walsh, and directly ask if the writers at papers like SI or WSJ or NYT will review the book. Then, he's going to have to go on some sort of circuit, pushing the book. This will be hardest for him. He's going to have to not just volunteer, but push to be interviewed on TV, the web, magazines, and be at the mercy of whatever questions reporters ask. He would also benefit from going to book stores and cycling stores and reading excerpts from the book, signing a few, and answering questions. That's what's going to be most difficult for him. But if he can do that, the book will sell to more than just hardcore cyclists.

If Tyler does it I would buy it. I am afraid that his book would turn a lot of people away from cycling. Just because his lying was so strong I think he endeared himself to many.

 

[mwbyrd]

If Tyler does it I would buy it. I am afraid that his book would turn a lot of people away from cycling. Just because his lying was so strong I think he endeared himself to many.

Perfect opening for the book: "I Lied, I Lied and I'm sorry for that, but let me tell you why...."

I'm still a fan of Tylers. (ssshhh....they were all doing it)