Tyler's Book

[AntiGravityCycling]

Thanks for the link uplist...a really UNfunny and irrelevant fake book review...sheesh...Not exackly Hunter Thompson...or Chas. Bukowski...

And almost $200,000 in royalties for US sales (Coyle, right?) sounds pretty good to me. "Not gonna get rich writing a tell-all..." I guess in these times, less than $10 mil or so doesn't cut it...what else does TH have going right now?

Jeremiah, I bet lots of folks will be lining up to sue TH if he *actually* tells all...everybody named will have a serious look at it, and some will file. Maybe lots. "Stupid enough", as you say. But some will be.


Hog, they made two bigger mistakes than that:

2. Joined the LA team with less than a full commitment to lay down their very lives for LA. I make no endorsement here, but that was the seed of their downfall.

1. Left the fold. See Livingston, K. or Heras, R.

 

[Benotti69]

I love how you always call a duck a duck.

Where i come from we use "call a spade a spade"

But yeah, call it as i see it. Not always right, but flip it. Life is too short

 

[avanti]

I was a fan of Hamilton until he was revealed to be a liar. So how do we know his book does not contain lies?. I won't be reading his book.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I was a fan of Hamilton until he was revealed to be a liar. So how do we know his book does not contain lies?. I won't be reading his book.

So, are you a fan of Armstrong and Basso and Vino and on and on, none of them have ever "changed their stories" so they must not be liars, huh?

 

[Jeremiah]

Jeremiah, I bet lots of folks will be lining up to sue TH if he *actually* tells all...everybody named will have a serious look at it, and some will file. Maybe lots. "Stupid enough", as you say. But some will be.

What will they sue him for and where? It's next to impossible to prevail in a libel suit in the U.S.

 

[AntiGravityCycling]

Defamation, damage to career, etc. The usual suspects, eh?

Where? Not a lawyer. Wherever the usual jurisdictional rules are.

Most suits are not filed with the expectation of winning these days, it would seem. Free publicity with the opposite claims made in the book...possibility of concessions to make the suit go away - see coffee, hot, McDonalds...

 

[BroDeal]

Defamation, damage to career, etc. The usual suspects, eh?

Where? Not a lawyer. Wherever the usual jurisdictional rules are.

Most suits are not filed with the expectation of winning these days, it would seem. Free publicity with the opposite claims made in the book...possibility of concessions to make the suit go away - see coffee, hot, McDonalds...

That will all work really well when the person who sues and his old teammates are subject to under oath depositions. There will probably be enough material for a new edition of the book.

 

[DirtyWorks]

And almost $200,000 in royalties for US sales (Coyle, right?) sounds pretty good to me. "Not gonna get rich writing a tell-all..." I guess in these times, less than $10 mil or so doesn't cut it...what else does TH have going right now?

Jeremiah, I bet lots of folks will be lining up to sue TH if he *actually* tells all...everybody named will have a serious look at it, and some will file. Maybe lots. "Stupid enough", as you say. But some will be.

Give me a break. How often does the hype match the reality?

Unless TH self-publishes while he's out of his mind it's going to be vetted by someone in legal because if lawsuits fly, they drag everyone in.

This is a book about a niche of competitive cycling. It's not going to make anyone rich.

 

[avanti]

So, are you a fan of Armstrong and Basso and Vino and on and on, none of them have ever "changed their stories" so they must not be liars, huh?

I've never been a fan of these guys.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I've never been a fan of these guys.

Are you in fact a pro cycling fan?

 

[zigmeister]

I'm not wasting one second reading any of Tyler's drivel.

He is the likes of Floyd, Frankie and such. Only after they get stone cold busted, or after their career is over, then they have revelations and the "guilt" associated with what they have done.

How about you don't lie to begin with and have some moral fortitude before you set about your lying/deceiving ways which you made money and fame off of? No such thing.

I would rather have some guy that dopes, gets caught, and says, "yep, I did it, for whatever reason" and just move on with the situation, instead of lie for years, take people's money, deny, lie some more, deny and deny again. Then later all of the sudden, when another opportunity presents itself to get more fame/recognition and money, "come clean" about something.

Ridiculous and shameful.

At least Basso got busted, said, yep, I did it...takes his punishment, then returns to racing as an elite level guy hopefully clean now. He isn't writing a book, crying foul and having at tantrum regarding the situation.

 

[the big ring]

At least Basso got busted, said, yep, I did it...takes his punishment, then returns to racing as an elite level guy hopefully clean now. He isn't writing a book, crying foul and having at tantrum regarding the situation.

Not sure if you're trying to illicit a response but Basso did no such thing. He said he was going to dope, but hadn't actually ever done so.

From Wiki:

While still claiming to never have actually engaged in blood doping, Basso admitted contacting Dr. Fuentes' clinic with the intention to engage in blood doping.

 

[thehog]

Not sure if you're trying to illicit a response but Basso did no such thing. He said he was going to dope, but hadn't actually ever done so.

From Wiki: "

The subtle troll... you didn't pick it?

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm not wasting one second reading any of Lance's drivel.

He is the likes of Floyd, Frankie and such. Only after they get stone cold busted, or after their career is over, then they have revelations and the "guilt" associated with what they have done.

How about you don't lie to begin with and have some moral fortitude before you set about your lying/deceiving ways which you made money and fame off of? No such thing.

I would rather have some guy that dopes, gets caught, and says, "yep, I did it, for whatever reason" and just move on with the situation, instead of lie for years, take people's money, deny, lie some more, deny and deny again. Then later all of the sudden, when another opportunity presents itself to get more fame/recognition and money, "come clean" about something.

Ridiculous and shameful.

At least Basso got busted, said, yep, I did it...takes his punishment, then returns to racing as an elite level guy hopefully clean now. He isn't writing books, crying foul and having at tantrum regarding the situation.

Fixed that for ya...

Ridiculous and shameful, indeed.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm not wasting one second reading any of Tyler's drivel.

He is the likes of Floyd, Frankie and such. Only after they get stone cold busted, or after their career is over, then they have revelations and the "guilt" associated with what they have done.

How about you don't lie to begin with and have some moral fortitude before you set about your lying/deceiving ways which you made money and fame off of? No such thing.

I would rather have some guy that dopes, gets caught, and says, "yep, I did it, for whatever reason" and just move on with the situation, instead of lie for years, take people's money, deny, lie some more, deny and deny again. Then later all of the sudden, when another opportunity presents itself to get more fame/recognition and money, "come clean" about something.

Ridiculous and shameful.

At least Basso got busted, said, yep, I did it...takes his punishment, then returns to racing as an elite level guy hopefully clean now. He isn't writing a book, crying foul and having at tantrum regarding the situation.

This is the most idiotic conclusion that could possibly be reached.
As others have pointed out Basso didn't admit anything, but rather came up with a totally weak "confession" about having banked blood away on the off chance that he might at some point in the future feel like doping. Altogether as plausible as the disappearing twin.
Everyone racing in the top echelon at that point in time was "lying and deceiving", do you seriously think that it is less reprehensible to continue lying rather than to come clean about it, whatever the initial motivation might be?
And finally, exactly when was Frankie "stone cold busted"?

 

[the big ring]

The subtle troll... you didn't pick it?

As we're not allowed to call people trolls, I implied it through definition instead

 

[Insider]

Btw. Has Basso ever told how he got contacted to Fuentes? I mean he cannot have found Fuentes from yellow pages..

 

[Maxiton]

Btw. Has Basso ever told how he got contacted to Fuentes? I mean he cannot have found Fuentes from yellow pages..

He was referred by his gynecologist.

 

[Maxiton]

I must admit, I've always appreciated the sheer bald faced temerity of Basso confessing to having thought about doping.

 

[MarkvW]

Tyler doped to make money--with Lance, and for years afterward. Now Tyler writes a book about doping to make money.

Don't buy the book! Read it at the library!

If you want to buy a cycling book, buy one written by a clean rider.

 

[BroDeal]

Btw. Has Basso ever told how he got contacted to Fuentes? I mean he cannot have found Fuentes from yellow pages..

Didn't Jaksche (sp?) say that Riis was pointing people to resources outside the team. There did appear to be some sort of relationship between Cecchini and Fuentes, like Fuentes was supplying products and services to Cecchini's clients.

Probably during that time there were many teams that did not want to run a U.S. Postal style doping program. There were risks with police. It was safer for the team and its management to outsource. Directing athletes to outside resources could have been as nonspecific as telling a riding that his performance was not as good as it could be and trainer XXX would help him out, letting the rider read into that what he may.

 

[henryg]

Tyler doped to make money--with Lance, and for years afterward. Now Tyler writes a book about doping to make money.

Don't buy the book! Read it at the library!

If you want to buy a cycling book, buy one written by a clean rider.

Those books don't exist. I wish Basso and Armstrong would follow Hamilton's lead and write tell alls that expose the rotten core of cycling. If they make money doing it good for them. Better making money tearing down the omerta then making money cheating.

 

[MacRoadie]

As others have pointed out Basso didn't admit anything, but rather came up with a totally weak "confession" about having banked blood away on the off chance that he might at some point in the future feel like doping.

Some point in the following 42 days, that is...

 

[mwbyrd]

So, are you a fan of Armstrong and Basso and Vino and on and on, none of them have ever "changed their stories" so they must not be liars, huh?

According to Coyle, he says he verified the facts with the 'named' and they already know it's coming out in the book.

 

[spetsa]

I must admit, I've always appreciated the sheer bald faced temerity of Basso confessing to having thought about doping.

With the "talent" that we saw from Basso, under Riis, at CSC, he would have been a monster if he had given in and actually let Bruyneel readminister that stored blood.