UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[Don't be late Pedro]

Worth reading on the matter... http://inrng.com/2014/06/jdd-uci-fr...m_campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)

So at the moment the rules may not have been broken depending on Dr Zorzoli's status on the committee.

Was fast tracked because of Cookson's son? At the moment that is speculation and there is no evidence (Not to say it wasn't).

 

[Granville57]

Worth reading on the matter... http://inrng.com/2014/06/jdd-uci-fr...m_campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)

A very sane and sound assessment (I would expect nothing less from thehog).

This part particularly:

What the UCI rules actually say
The JDD hasn’t quite got the UCI rules right. Rule 40 of Chapter 13 of the UCI rulebook says:

"The UCI shall appoint a committee of at least 3 (three) physicians to consider requests for TUE’s: the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee (TUEC)."

But this rule relates to the appointment of the committee and not necessarily the execution of its duties. For that we have Rule 45:

"Upon the UCI’s receipt of a TUE application, the Chair of the TUEC shall appoint one or more members of the TUEC (which may include the Chair) to consider such application and render a decision promptly."

In this case if Sky sent in the TUE form the UCI’s committee doesn’t have to meet in full, it can appoint one individual to consider and decide the matter. It might be more sound to convene given Froome’s high profile status and the sensitivities but that’s a matter of judgement, availability and timing and not the rules.

I originally found it a bit hard to imagine that a 3-person committee oversaw and reviewed each and every TUE presented by a team or rider. That would become a full time job!

So the above makes much more sense. Good link, hog.

 

[gooner]

To be honest they could have broadcast the issuing of the TUE by the UCI and WADA live on TV, with dozens of doctors, witnesses and notaries, and it would still be dodgy as hell because of Zorzoli.

I welcomed Cookson getting rid of Verbiest, but this is the guy that needs to be booted out more.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

To be honest they could have broadcast the issuing of the TUE by the UCI and WADA live on TV, with dozens of doctors, witnesses and notaries, and it would still be dodgy as hell because of Zorzoli.

What's his track record on things. I could Google him but since you seem to already know about him..?

 

[thehog]

I welcomed Cookson getting rid of Verbiest, but this is the guy that needs to be booted out more.

Yeah! Lets get rid of him! Burn him! Out with him! Punch him in the face!




(lets also divert attention away from the guy tanking 40mg of emergency medicine and then creaming Tony Martin in a ITT )

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I'm sorry, "don't shoot the messenger" doesn't cover posting nonsense.

Already on this thread Hoggy has made up that is was backdated.

 

[the sceptic]

Already on this thread Hoggy has made up that is was backdated.

please stop vortexing on this important issue.

 

[thehog]

Already on this thread Hoggy has made up that is was backdated.

No he didn't. He drew a comparison between the two incidents.

Did you also go to school with Richie Porte? (s-l-o-w)

 

[thehog]

Updated bot logic:

Blame Zorzoli and not ask why a 63kg guy taking 40mg of power beats Tony Martin in an ITT.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

No he didn't. He drew a comparison between the two incidents.

Did you also go to school with Richie Porte? (s-l-o-w)

Funny how you needed to add that extra post in because someone called you on it. You might try and pretend that it was obvious but it was your usual lying.

It is an important story but as usual you feel the need to make stuff up.

Sky's backdated perscription moment? (Check).

How is that a 'Check' if it is not backdated?

 

[gooner]

Yeah! Lets get rid of him! Burn him! Out with him! Punch him in the face!




(lets also divert attention away from the guy tanking 40mg of emergency medicine and then creaming Tony Martin in a ITT )

Way to miss the point as usual. You should work for a tabloid, they way you add arms and legs on to things.

You go on. We know you like to always be on stage.

A nightmare to discuss this on here.

 

[thehog]

Way to miss the point as usual. You should work for a tabloid, they way you add arms and legs on to things.

You go on. We know you like to always be on stage.

A nightmare to discuss this on here.

I'm not missing he point at all.

What was Froome doing with this medication and why was he using it?

If sick then he wouldn't be in the race or at the very least under performing.

Instead after a meek prologue he smashed the mountain stage and killed the world time trial champion in the ITT!

That's not a person who requires emergency medication for a serious condition or injury.

Stop using Zorzoli as a smoke screen for the obvious.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

please stop vortexing on this important issue.

Why do you keep trolling? I have yet to see you add anything to a debate. Dr Mas asked if you could cite one decent post you have made. You chose not to. Funny that.

 

[thehog]

I'm not missing he point at all.

What was Froome doing with this medication and why was he using it?

If sick then he wouldn't be in the race or at the very least under performing.

Instead after a meek prologue he smashed the mountain stage and killed the world time trial champion in the ITT!

That's not a person who requires emergency medication for a serious condition or injury.

Stop using Zorzoli as a smoke screen for the obvious.

Just adding into my post from the Innring article;

Health issues
Aside from the rules there’s the health issue which is really what matters. If someone needs a strong medicine like this should they really be racing? Normally a doctor prescribing prednisone is going to advise rest rather than an Alpine stage race so why wasn’t the Team Sky doctor sending Froome home to rest? Professional sport is different, there are big issues at stake. Legal advantages to get the job done, be they tramadol or TUEs, are part of this in cycling and many other sports – other French newspapers have been quantifying the amount of cortisone injections (40 a year?) given to Franck Ribéry this week, treatment to play rather than the usual “have a rest”. Back to cycling and the same question was put by Lionel Birnie to Team Sky when Rigoberto Uran needed a TUE during the 2011 Dauphiné, scroll down to Stage 6 to read about what happened.

http://inrng.com/2014/06/jdd-uci-fr...m_campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)

The choice of words is interesting..... "Painkillers".

Hmmm..

 

[gooner]

I'm not missing he point at all.

What was Froome doing with this medication and why was he using it?

If sick then he wouldn't be in the race or at the very least under performing.

Instead after a meek prologue he smashed the mountain stage and killed the world time trial champion in the ITT!

That's not a person who requires emergency medication for a serious condition or injury.

Stop using Zorzoli as a smoke screen for the obvious.

Where did I use Zorzoli as a smoke screen?

 

[thehog]

Brailsford chimes in..

Speaking at the start in Megève this morning, Sky manager Dave Brailsford insisted that the team "acted in good faith." "We followed the rules, we respected the procedures," Brailsford said, according to L'Equipe. "We asked the UCI for an urgent TUE and Zorzoli told us what could or couldn't be done."

Zorzoli the fallguy?

 

[the sceptic]

Why do you keep trolling? I have yet to see you add anything to a debate. Dr Mas asked if you could cite one decent post you have made. You chose not to. Funny that.

The late Dr. Vortex is proud of you im sure. Keep it going, this thread will become unreadable in no time.

 

[Granville57]

Sky's backdated perscription moment? (Check).

How is that a 'Check' if it is not backdated?

As a neutral observer to all this, allow me.

Hog was drawing a comparison to events. The use of the word "moment" being the operative.

LA's backdated TUE for corticosteroids in 1999, which was hurriedly accepted by the UCI, has long been cited as one of the first cracks in the armor surrounding The Myth.

The absence of such an event, as it relates to Sky, has often been used in defense of Sir Brailsford's operation. Some have wondered if, and when, a similar such event would present itself regarding Sky, and if so, in what from would it take, and what might the response/action be?

Hog was drawing a parallel between that '99 incident with Armstrong/UCI, and today's revelation about Froome's apparently-fast-tracked TUE for a corticosteroid.

The "backdated" part of that was only referring to the Armstrong incident.

This current Sky/Froome/Zorzoli mess is being cited as similar to that incident. Hence, this could looked upon as Sky's "backdated" incident. That one, early sign of a crack in the armor.

At least that's I how interpreted it.

 

[dolophonic]

Well, no, Hog. They aren't the facts.

First of all, the UCI don't prescribe anything, doctors do.

Secondly, if there is a valid TUE, sought in advance, it's not illegal.

You know, guys, in your giddy frenzy over this, which will come to nothing, you're missing the actual story which might mean something. But then, that's typical.

What exactly are you alluding to ? please enlighten us.

 

[PunchingRouleur]

Just adding into my post from the Innring article;

Hmmm..

good find

 

[Stingray34]

What is it about shonky Tour winners, the UCI and one-week stage races in Switzerland?

 

[thehog]

As a neutral observer to all this, allow me.

Hog was drawing a comparison to events. The use of the word "moment" being the operative.

Hog was drawing a parallel between that '99 incident with Armstrong/UCI, and today's revelation about Froome's apparently-fast-tracked TUE for a corticosteroid.

The "backdated" part of that was only referring to the Armstrong incident.

This current Sky/Froome/Zarzoli mess is being cited as similar to that incident. Hence, this could looked upon as Sky's "backdated" incident. That one, early sign of a crack in the armor.

At least that's I how interpreted it.

Correct. Which I repeated a few times that I was drawing a comparison.

I'll also draw a comparison in the way that the "messenger" is attacked by "interns" compared to "bots".

Brailsford this morning is saying he was "following the rules"; ok, good. If Froome was off the back and didn't perform well then they may be some credence in the story.

But he absolutely smashed that race and it was his first one back for some time after injury.

What the hell did he need that drug for? Why so much? As clearly it's enhanced his performance.

 

[the sceptic]

Brailsford chimes in..



Zorzoli the fallguy?

Whats an urgent TUE? was his life in danger?

 

[Granville57]

http://inrng.com/2014/06/jdd-uci-fr...m_campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)

Normally a doctor prescribing prednisone is going to advise rest rather than an Alpine stage race.

Sounds reasonable enough to me.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

As a neutral observer to all this, allow me.

Hog was drawing a comparison to events. The use of the word "moment" being the operative.

LA's backdated TUE for corticosteroids in 1999, which was hurriedly accepted by the UCI, has long been cited as one of the first cracks in the armor surrounding The Myth.

The absence of such an event, as it relates to Sky, has often been used in defense of Sir Brailsford's operation. Some have wondered if, and when, a similar such event would present itself regarding Sky, and if so, in what from would it take, and what might the response/action be?

Hog was drawing a parallel between that '99 incident with Armstrong/UCI, and today's revelation about Froome's apparently-fast-tracked TUE for a corticosteroid.

The "backdated" part of that was only referring to the Armstrong incident.

This current Sky/Froome/Zorzoli mess is being cited as similar to that incident. Hence, this could looked upon as Sky's "backdated" incident. That one, early sign of a crack in the armor.

At least that's I how interpreted it.

I appreciate the post but Hoggy has a history of lying and making up stuff so I am dubious. Wiggins is 100% working with Ferrari is just one of his greatest hits.