UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[I Watch Cycling In July]

From the article.

"With Muravyev, you can check with the UCI; his haematocrit is 37. after the Tour de France it's still 37"

Hysterical that they can say things like this and point to it as evidence that someone's clean. Such a brutally messed up sport.

Yep - hilarious stuff.

 

[ergmonkey]

Hang on, isn't this meant to be a confidential document? Can any action be taken against L'Equipe for publishing it?

Usually it's the tipper who can get in trouble, not the tippee.

Then again, I don't know how the French view these things.

 

[Stingray34]

Wouldn't be surprised if the UCI were thinking of knocking Menchov off after the Giro for the bio-passport.

Interesting. A new development could be the UCI playing the PR game and being influenced to act via media pressure.

What's the UCI's relationship with the Giro? Assuming Menchov podiums here, if they knock him off it would be a slap in the face to the race. The evidence appears to be there to formally investigate him now.

 

[Stingray34]

Floyd had quite a day today.


I don't think he's looking to make friends at the moment.

Honey badger got nothin' on these two:

Floyd's lovin it. Kinda reminds me of this grammy-winning song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfKKBDFCiIA

 

[Señor_Contador]

How PoPo and Kloden are still riding today beggers belief. 9 lives those guys!

Because they are snitches (informers).

Only informers seem to avoid trouble all the time.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Is the UCI reaaaaaally upset at the list being made public? Reaaaaaaaally?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Interesting. A new development could be the UCI playing the PR game and being influenced to act via media pressure.

What's the UCI's relationship with the Giro? Assuming Menchov podiums here, if they knock him off it would be a slap in the face to the race. The evidence appears to be there to formally investigate him now.

Oh you know it would be. UCI seems to be in the corner of this TOC thing.
I think they want the TDF and then a half dozen equal but shorter National Tours around it. More big races = mo money (for UCI).

 

[Escarabajo]

Excellent Post.

This list is great for speculating and perfect for the clinic but like so many other things means nothing. Because NOTHING has come from it.

If this list is so important why are Menchov, Barrado and Popovich still riding?

Because it is a Target List only. They only need the smoking gun to stand in trial. Me thinks.

Otherwise is UCI manipulation. Again conspiracy theories that I don't like but that has happened in the past.

 

[D-Queued]

Is the UCI reaaaaaally upset at the list being made public? Reaaaaaaaally?

Vrijman has already been hired to exonerate everyone.

Report should be out in a week or two.

Dave.

 

[Boeing]

Floyd had quite a day today.


I don't think he's looking to make friends at the moment.

Honey badger got nothin' on these two:

pure comedy

 

[frenchfry]

I would assume that the objective for many isn't to have a perfectly clean passport (thus a 0 UCI score), but rather to stay within acceptable limits - much like the 50% HCT objective where 49.999 was the optimum result.

Therefore scores between about 3 and 7 might be considered totally acceptable and even targeted by teams on programs.

As has already meen mentioned many times, what is difficult to understand is why a Shack rider shows up with a perfect 10. Equally difficult to explain some of the 0 scores for some riders widely considered to be at least somewhat charged.

Surprised to see that no one has yet accused l'Equipe for publishing this only to make money. I can confirm that I dutifully bought a copy, something I almost never do because it is 90% football which I couldn't care less about.

 

[andy1234]

Floyd had quite a day today.


I don't think he's looking to make friends at the moment.

Honey badger got nothin' on these two:

The fact that Landis is now some sort of hero around here says all you need to know about this place.
Honeybadger ain't right in the head.
Honeybadger hates cycling.

 

[thehog]

I see the list in reverse. It was most certainly a target list but a target of riders to avoid testing and those to hit who wont draw a positive. I would like to know how many times PoPo was tested at the Tour.... any guesses? The mere fact Menchov finished on the steps would suggest he was avoided stall costs.

More interesting will be the data the AFLD have. They were testing some riders pre-Tour and took a far different approach than the UCI in "target testing". Would like to cross reference with their data.

Maybe that's coming.... I've heard there's another set of data to follow.

I would assume that the objective for many isn't to have a perfectly clean passport (thus a 0 UCI score), but rather to stay within acceptable limits - much like the 50% HCT objective where 49.999 was the optimum result.

Therefore scores between about 3 and 7 might be considered totally acceptable and even targeted by teams on programs.

As has already meen mentioned many times, what is difficult to understand is why a Shack rider shows up with a perfect 10. Equally difficult to explain some of the 0 scores for some riders widely considered to be at least somewhat charged.

Surprised to see that no one has yet accused l'Equipe for publishing this only to make money. I can confirm that I dutifully bought a copy, something I almost never do because it is 90% football which I couldn't care less about.

 

[thehog]

In the article, Ressiot also stated that some of the UCI experts were "surprised by certain much too 'normal' blood parameters" and advocated to prohibit the riders from accessing their blood passport data for the last three months, so that they cannot align their blood parameters to the values recorded previously.

The list was handed out to UCI anti-doping officials at the race, as well as the WADA observers present at the event. It was established to evaluate and target certain riders during the race, based on the information gathered by their bio passports and their alleged doping practices at previous events such as the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a Espana.

Examples of increased suspicion include:

sudden drop in hemoglobin one month before the summer of 2010 which could point to an important loss of blood possibly destined to be re-injected during the Tour
suspicion of EPO use during the 2009 Giro
hematocrit, hemoglobin or stimulation index superior to 2010 values, which could have led to a start ban before the UCI rules were changed
low parameters off-race

 

[maltiv]

Gotta love Cavendish's reaction upon being asked by a norwegian reporter about the list. Cavendish just stared angrily at him in silence for 30 seconds or so before he turned around and went into the bus. I guess the list wasn't good for HTC, although Cavendish himself came out of it rather good.

 

[la.margna]

absolutely ridicolous to see the scores as clean/doped indicater. it is much more obvious that some are ahead of the UCI again and work better and more precisely and some are on do it yourself programs. sorry for repeating myself.

 

[Benotti69]

In the article, Ressiot also stated that some of the UCI experts were "surprised by certain much too 'normal' blood parameters" and advocated to prohibit the riders from accessing their blood passport data for the last three months, so that they cannot align their blood parameters to the values recorded previously.

The list was handed out to UCI anti-doping officials at the race, as well as the WADA observers present at the event. It was established to evaluate and target certain riders during the race, based on the information gathered by their bio passports and their alleged doping practices at previous events such as the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a Espana.

Examples of increased suspicion include:

sudden drop in hemoglobin one month before the summer of 2010 which could point to an important loss of blood possibly destined to be re-injected during the Tour
suspicion of EPO use during the 2009 Giro
hematocrit, hemoglobin or stimulation index superior to 2010 values, which could have led to a start ban before the UCI rules were changed
low parameters off-race

so riders can access their blood parameters results from testing?

 

[El Pistolero]

Gotta love Cavendish's reaction upon being asked by a norwegian reporter about the list. Cavendish just stared angrily at him in silence for 30 seconds or so before he turned around and went into the bus. I guess the list wasn't good for HTC, although Cavendish himself came out of it rather good.

Cavendish benefits more of a doped team than a doped Cavendish, so obviously he's ****ed.

 

[craig1985]

Spartacus being a zero is no different to Menchov being a 10 IMO.

 

[python]

so riders can access their blood parameters results from testing?

yes, they do.

i believe i posted this some place - the first-hand information from a current pro rider - they can access some of their data via the wada 'adams' system.

this includes their biopass. i heard it's about one half of what wada and the uci officials can see.

 

[Benotti69]

yes, they do.

i believe i posted this some place - the first-hand information from a current pro rider - they can access some of their data via the wada 'adams' system.

this includes their biopass. i heard it's about one half of what wada and the uci officials can see.

i thought i remembered a post bout it. Twas your good self. Cheers.

Is it true that USADA have refused permission to test at the ToC? If so i wonder why? Has ToC become a 'training' race preparing blood bags for TdF? hope Feds swoop on the race the way the European police have done in past with some spectacular results.

 

[Astana1]

Excellent Post.

This list is great for speculating and perfect for the clinic but like so many other things means nothing. Because NOTHING has come from it.

If this list is so important why are Menchov, Barrado and Popovich still riding?

Agree with you completely as well as the post you agreed with.

Also this leak is less about doping and more about McQuaid retaliating against the teams.

 

[Benotti69]

Excellent Post.

This list is great for speculating and perfect for the clinic but like so many other things means nothing. Because NOTHING has come from it.

If this list is so important why are Menchov, Barrado and Popovich still riding?

because the UCI is an absolute joke, that is why. Because the UCI have no interest catching dopers. Their real interest is to keep the doping under control at a level they set, hence the blood passport and keep everyone happy, except those riders that die from it and their families.

 

[El Pistolero]

“Between Paris-Nice and Liege-Bastogne-Liege, we had no blood monitoring. So we are in the safe zone and will all be around 0." he told Sporza.

OPL Team doctor.

No wonder no one pops up positive.

 

[Benotti69]

“Between Paris-Nice and Liege-Bastogne-Liege, we had no blood monitoring. So we are in the safe zone and will all be around 0." he told Sporza.

OPL Team doctor.

No wonder no one pops up positive.

This speaks volumes about attitudes inside the sport. More interested in being 0 on the list than proving his riders are clean with monitoring and testing!