US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

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Dr. Maserati

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MarkvW said:
Read yesterday's VELONEWS article. Betsy gets it way wrong.
I have read it Mark. Thanks.

As a reminder this is what you said
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My opinion changed. She incorrectly reported the statement of the US Attorney's Office. She slashed her credibility with that statement.
 
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Digger said:
I would put money on with you that no evidence will be handed over. This thing is rotten.

That thing is all a matter of treaty interpretation. No way am I going to bother reading a treaty unless the US declines to hand over and WADA squawks. Time will tell!
 
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MarkvW said:
That thing is all a matter of treaty interpretation. No way am I going to bother reading a treaty unless the US declines to hand over and WADA squawks. Time will tell!

Can you provide the name of the Treaty that you are not going to read?
 
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"If they don't [hand evidence over], it will be because they're sitting on overwhelming evidence of drug cheating in sport. It will be an international sports doping cover-up of the worst sort."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...tigation-really-over/index.html#ixzz1mPDvLFSX

The UCI would never cover for Wonderboy. They've got to protect the integrity of the sport and their best-in-the-world doping. program in the world.

:(

Sorry, I meant to say anti-doping program. Or did I? I'm not certain...
 

Polish

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Just you watch.

Even after the Feds hand over the insufficient evidence, WADA/USADA will complain...

"It's insufficient waa"
 
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Can you provide the name of the Treaty that you are not going to read?

It's right in the SI article (and a few others):

That precedent has been, if anything, strengthened since then. In 2008, the U.S. Senate ratified the UNESCO Convention, a treaty created to give governments a legal framework to address doping in sport, mandating that criminal investigators share information with their national anti-doping agencies.

The full name is the "International Convention against Doping in Sport":

International Convention against Doping in Sport
 

Polish

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Don't get me wrong - the evidence WILL be "overwhelming".
2 years, figure 500,000 pages of evidence?
Although to be fair, 70,000 pages were from Greg alone lol.

Overwhelming Insufficient Evidence. OIE, OIE.
What a suprise.

Put your reading glasses on boys, I'll make some tea...
 

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Polish said:
Don't get me wrong - the evidence WILL be "overwhelming".
2 years, figure 500,000 pages of evidence?
Although to be fair, 70,000 pages were from Greg alone lol.

Overwhelming Insufficient Evidence. OIE, OIE.
What a suprise.

Put your reading glasses on boys, I'll make some tea...

Nah Polish.

They won't need that. Instead of OIE the letters you are looking for are SOL, which is 8 years.
Usually thats from when an investigation is started, which in this case is early 2010, so back to 2002 (if you want to argue that is would only start now and it would be 2004, then fine....)

What year did Floyd start racing with USPS?
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
Nah Polish.

They won't need that. Instead of OIE the letters you are looking for are SOL, which is 8 years.
Usually thats from when an investigation is started, which in this case is early 2010, so back to 2002 (if you want to argue that is would only start now and it would be 2004, then fine....)

What year did Floyd start racing with USPS?


USADA and WADA will be SOL if the expect to find anything new under all those stones they plan on turning over. SSDD SSDD SSDD. OIE OIE.
 

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Polish said:
USADA and WADA will be SOL if the expect to find anything new under all those stones they plan on turning over. SSDD SSDD SSDD. OIE OIE.

What does the above mean?

They don't have to find anything new. They just have to find he doped.
 
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Velonews Tan article was revised a few hours ago. The statement
"I dispute this, since I have seen and read testimony from a number of those who were subpoenaed or disposed."
has been removed.

Interesting.
 
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I don't think for a second that Novitzky was twiddling his thumbs for 2 years. I am sure that Armstrong and his associates have made some mistakes and enemies along the way to amassing bike racing records and huge sums of cash while doing it.
I have always been upset about the trashing of everybody else like the race directors,race officials, team staff, sponsors.police, federation employees,police,officers of the court.
Everyone of them assumed to be in either collusion or at the very least complicit as Armstrong went on a 20 year crime spree. Armstrong is in an all win position now,the suspected misdeeds happened off shore 10 years ago, when he hoodwinked the business of pro bike racing. As an American he can feel pretty comfortable about a few things.

The majority of the English speaking population don't care about him now and they really really don't care if a teaspoon of people think he cheated at bike racing 10 years ago.

The majority of the US population will see that the FBI thought this was not worth their time. Armstrong, the population and the FBI will see that after Bonds, Clemens and Armstrong the record is completely fvcked at best.
Bonds avoided everything. His case was reduced 3 times and even after reductions in charges and dismissal of others the feds got him on a procedural offense that has him wearing an ankle bracelet while at his mansion.

The government spent nowhere near the time and money on Clemens but another public disaster. The top cop disregarded the judges orders and Clemens walked out and the federal government was left holding their sack and an empty bag of money they wasted trying to convict him.

If the feds have records that show that race officials let Lance win by cheating it must not have been too awful private. If the feds have records that airport security let Lance walk thru w bags of drugs 10 years ago as claimed, what record keeping those Swiss and Austrians have, congrats.

If Lance has been in a locked in a long kiss w somebody at the IRS that has allowed him to slurp millions out of bank accounts, not without detection but with permission,omfg, the boy is a god.

When are all the people that have been treated like legal lily pads in this going to get a sorry, probably never.

If some other government or quasi gov agency takes this on they will ruin themselves. If you put your real name on anything that says that convicting Lance Armstrong for his cycling crimes is or should be a top priority for the government you are probably going to a camp ground at area 51 or at the very least a Rick Astley concert
 
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Cal_Joe said:
Velonews Tan article was revised a few hours ago. The statement has been removed.

Interesting.

Anthony Tan reads cn forum. Since he hated so much i wonder how he feels now,since folks here made him edit the piece. :D :p
 

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Cal_Joe said:
Velonews Tan article was revised a few hours ago. The statement has been removed.

Interesting.

I thought that might happen....

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Cal_Joe said:
Velonews Tan article was revised a few hours ago. The statement has been removed.

Interesting.

As you are the forum expert on locating minutiae on the forum posts and links, did you notice that "disposed" was correctly amended to "deposed", as pointed out by yourself, but has now reverted back to "disposed"?

That word must have a life of its own. :)
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Well, I would prefer to hear from Mark - as to why now he only mentions Armstrong.
Nothing anymore about the other targets. Surely if there were more targets it would be unfair to just single out Lance?


And since you asked so nicely - here is just one example from a couple of pages ago.

Well yeah but I was only trying to point out where the two of you were about to get lost in the same argument as the other thread. I was not picking sides...:p
 
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“If we receive a formal request for information or evidence gathered during our investigation, we will consider the request in light of our obligations under DOJ [Department of Justice – ed.] policy and federal law and respond accordingly,” Public Affairs officer Thom Mrozek told VeloNation.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rmstrongUSPS-investigation.aspx#ixzz1mPqKaGBH

As Austin Murphy pointed out, the UNESCO convention mandates that the aforesaid info is shared (in this case with usada).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rmstrong-investigation-really-over/index.html

Of course I didn't talk to anyone from Birotte's office directly. When I said they said they'd share the info, I presumed they'd follow the law i.e. the unesco convention that Austin mentioned. I shouldn't have made those presumptions, therefore, that the DOJ would follow the law.

And RR, how dare you out me at the buffet when you had a helluva lot more on your plate each time you went up!