US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[mewmewmew13]

“If we receive a formal request for information or evidence gathered during our investigation, we will consider the request in light of our obligations under DOJ [Department of Justice – ed.] policy and federal law and respond accordingly,” Public Affairs officer Thom Mrozek told VeloNation.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rmstrongUSPS-investigation.aspx#ixzz1mPqKaGBH

As Austin Murphy pointed out, the UNESCO convention mandates that the aforesaid info is shared (in this case with usada).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rmstrong-investigation-really-over/index.html

Of course I didn't talk to anyone from Birotte's office directly. When I said they said they'd share the info, I presumed they'd follow the law i.e. the unesco convention that Austin mentioned. I shouldn't have made those presumptions, therefore, that the DOJ would follow the law.

And RR, how dare you out me at the buffet when you had a helluva lot more on your plate each time you went up!

lol
cheers B

that RR loves the all-you-can-eat

 

[scribe]

Betsy: there is a petition to Barak Obama we got floating around here that we are trying to get everyone to sign. You might want to check it out.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I'm looking forward to bringing up this whole debacle the next time someone starts banging on about all those Spanish dopers getting protected by the corrupt and politicized Spanish law enforcement agencies. Pot, meet kettle.

Meanwhile, Howman might be quite ****ed off if/when they don't hand over the info. It will be interesting to see how far he can push them.

 

[Cal_Joe]

As you are the forum expert on locating minutiae on the forum posts and links, did you notice that "disposed" was correctly amended to "deposed", as pointed out by yourself, but has now reverted back to "disposed"?

That word must have a life of its own.

I do not think it was a reversion - both my post and Dr. M's screen shot were from when the article first appeared. On Dr. M's pic, notice that it was taken 35 minutes after the article appeared.

I was so flabbergasted by the original article that I printed it to PDF - I thought the VN editors would take care of the interesting phrase immediately or take the whole thing down. But that thought was based on the assumption that VN actually has editors with a brain or a functioning legal department. Possibly neither exist.

 

[simo1733]

I would imagine that Birotte and the DOJ don't give a rats about any UNESCO Convention.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Excellent work.

I still can't believe that ever made it to print in the first place.

serious? It is no more than a blog post not PRINT. BTW the print media standards these days well good luck.

FISH HACKS working for Multi Colured FISH WRAPS at best for the majority.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'm looking forward to bringing up this whole debacle the next time someone starts banging on about all those Spanish dopers getting protected by the corrupt and politicized Spanish lew enforcement agencies. Pot, meet kettle.

Meanwhile, Howman might be quite ****ed off if/when they don't hand over the info. It will be interesting to see how far he can push them.

BANG BANG.....

Well yeah they are all protected as long as they have enough CASH! Try not to be so naive???? It is cycling and the UCI, USA, SPAIN....etc.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

“If we receive a formal request for information or evidence gathered during our investigation, we will consider the request in light of our obligations under DOJ [Department of Justice – ed.] policy and federal law and respond accordingly,” Public Affairs officer Thom Mrozek told VeloNation.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rmstrongUSPS-investigation.aspx#ixzz1mPqKaGBH

As Austin Murphy pointed out, the UNESCO convention mandates that the aforesaid info is shared (in this case with usada).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rmstrong-investigation-really-over/index.html

Of course I didn't talk to anyone from Birotte's office directly. When I said they said they'd share the info, I presumed they'd follow the law i.e. the unesco convention that Austin mentioned. I shouldn't have made those presumptions, therefore, that the DOJ would follow the law.
And RR, how dare you out me at the buffet when you had a helluva lot more on your plate each time you went up!

GOLDEN CORRAL?

I think everyone should have understood what you stated etc. Not that it will change anyone......like you said at the end of that interview....the hits keep rolling on.

Hey what buffet you going to next? Up to about 350bills by now hu?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I do not think it was a reversion - both my post and Dr. M's screen shot were from when the article first appeared. On Dr. M's pic, notice that it was taken 35 minutes after the article appeared.

I was so flabbergasted by the original article that I printed it to PDF - I thought the VN editors would take care of the interesting phrase immediately or take the whole thing down. But that thought was based on the assumption that VN actually has editors with a brain or a functioning legal department. Possibly neither exist.

Correct - that was the original article.
Like yourself I expected it to get changed - although Velodude does bring up the point, VN went back and edited the "disposed" error, yet they left the more amazing piece up.

 

[MarkvW]

“If we receive a formal request for information or evidence gathered during our investigation, we will consider the request in light of our obligations under DOJ [Department of Justice – ed.] policy and federal law and respond accordingly,” Public Affairs officer Thom Mrozek told VeloNation.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rmstrongUSPS-investigation.aspx#ixzz1mPqKaGBH

As Austin Murphy pointed out, the UNESCO convention mandates that the aforesaid info is shared (in this case with usada).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rmstrong-investigation-really-over/index.html

Of course I didn't talk to anyone from Birotte's office directly. When I said they said they'd share the info, I presumed they'd follow the law i.e. the unesco convention that Austin mentioned. I shouldn't have made those presumptions, therefore, that the DOJ would follow the law.

And RR, how dare you out me at the buffet when you had a helluva lot more on your plate each time you went up!

Thanks very much for the correction.

 

[Race Radio]

lol
cheers B

that RR loves the all-you-can-eat

All you can drink is more my style.....unless there is bacon. Who can turn down all you can eat bacon?

 

[mewmewmew13]

All you can drink is more my style.....unless there is bacon. Who can turn down all you can eat bacon?

Lance
he's training

 

[Semper Fidelis]

All you can drink is more my style.....unless there is bacon. Who can turn down all you can eat bacon?

Bacon? My favorite!

I bet "Team Pork Skinz" has plenty of BACON!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thanks very much for the correction.

Why? Wasn't your original post suggesting she was honest?

But Betsy (in the Velonews interview) said that Birotte's office said that they were going to turn over all the stuff, except the GJ stuff, to WADA.

While Betsy is a shrieking harpy, I'm convinced she's a honest shrieking harpy

 

[mewmewmew13]

Bacon? My favorite!

I bet "Team Pork Skinz" has plenty of BACON!

How about pork skinz and michelob ultra?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

How about pork skinz and michelob ultra?

Thanks for that. I had forgotten the ultimate pizz water wash down...michebob ultra.

 

[MarkvW]

Why? Wasn't your original post suggesting she was honest?

She said that Birotte's office made a certain statement when she had no knowledge that Birotte's office had made a certain statement and Birotte's office had not made that statement. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Race Radio]

She said that Birotte's office made a certain statement when she had no knowledge that Birotte's office had made a certain statement and Birotte's office had not made that statement. Draw your own conclusions.

It is clear she must be punished for this unforgivable mistake!

I suggest a revocation of her 20% discount card at the Golden Corral. This is the only way she will learn!

 

[MarkvW]

It is clear she must be punished for this unforgivable mistake!

I suggest a revocation of her 20% discount card at the Golden Corral. This is the only way she will learn!

Yeah. Jump on me for responding to a Maserati post. Serves me right.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

She said that Birotte's office made a certain statement when she had no knowledge that Birotte's office had made a certain statement and Birotte's office had not made that statement. Draw your own conclusions.

I have thanks, Betsy is able to admit a minor mistake (which is to assume that the guys will actually do their job and give USADA the relevant evidence).

My conclusion is that you cannot admit yours.

 

[Race Radio]

While I could talk about bacon all night time to get back on topic.

From the SI piece

One gets the distinct impression that Birotte is no rush to work with USADA. That -- like his decision to drop the criminal case -- is strange, because there is a clear precedent for athletes being sanctioned by their governing bodies based on evidence gathered in the course of criminal investigations. "That's the way the federal agencies operated in Balco," says Howman. A number of elite American sprinters and coaches were suspended before the 2004 Athens Olympics, based on evidence gathered in a federal investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, which supplied them with a previously undetectable steroid. (Remember "The Clear"?)
That precedent has been, if anything, strengthened since then. In 2008, the U.S. Senate ratified the UNESCO Convention, a treaty created to give governments a legal framework to address doping in sport, mandating that criminal investigators share information with their national anti-doping agencies.
"There are no legal hurdles" to the U.S. Attorney's office working with USADA, says one international official familiar with this case. "If they don't [hand evidence over], it will be because they're sitting on overwhelming evidence of drug cheating in sport. It will be an international sports doping cover-up of the worst sort."

The question is how long is Lance's sanction? I say 1 win and 1 podium....and that parking lot crit he won.

 

[MarkvW]

I have thanks, Betsy is able to admit a minor mistake (which is to assume that the guys will actually do their job and give USADA the relevant evidence).

My conclusion is that you cannot admit yours.

You should carefully read the convention before you make that statement.

 

[Anonymous]

While I could talk about bacon all night time to get back on topic.

From the SI piece




The question is how long is Lance's sanction? I say 1 win and 1 podium....and that parking lot crit he won.

You mean the huge (and only) victory that LA was able to secure in the 'hope rides again' 2.0?

The great one day classic, Nevada City?

To get stripped of Nevada City is just cruel.

 

[peterst6906]

Party pooper. I was wondering how our resident legal expert could identify his treaty.

Conventions tend to be generalized - like the Geneva Conventions.

Treaties are more specific - Treaty of Versailles for example.

Off topic, but that's not quite correct. Conventions can be very specific and in international law, there is no difference between a Treaty or Convention. They are the same thing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You should carefully read the convention before you make that statement.

I thought you weren't reading "treaties" - its ok, I will wait on a real lawyer to interpret it.