USADA - Armstrong

[Anonymous]

Back OT,

So why hasn't JS asked for an open hearing? Why hasn't JS sworn under oath to have never taken PEDS?

What Would An Innocent Man Do?

The questions are mounting...

 

[college]

Your post is off topic. The thread title is usada vs Armstrong nothing about a junkie scum like floyd or tyler. Now since i was called jr by chewbachah how about posting about the topic and not me. Peace

 

[red_flanders]

Okay, more than enough with this. Everyone stop now please, and get back to the topic. What started this has been handled backchannel and further discussion of the factually incorrect postings, junkie scum, and other related postings will result in sanctions.

If you have a beef about a post that has broken a rule of the site, please report it or send me a link to the post and what rule(s) (linked below) you think have been broken.

Conspiracy theories about who gets sanctioned and why are uniformly off base. Thank you for your understanding, and please get back to the topic.

 

[Polish]

Back OT,

So why hasn't JS asked for an open hearing? Why hasn't JS sworn under oath to have never taken PEDS?

What Would An Innocent Man Do?

The questions are mounting...

No way should the hearing be open. That is a witch hunt trap.

It is obvious to Joe Public why Lance would not want to give the Witch Hunters the time of day. If Joe Public even cares.

Some of you guys might want to step away from the keyboard, enter the real world - and ASK Joe Public if they would like an Open Hearing on Alleged Lance Doping. Try not to frighten Joe when you ask. Frothing at the mouth etc.

 

[Merckx index]

No way should the hearing be open. That is a witch hunt trap.

It is obvious to Joe Public why Lance would not want to give the Witch Hunters the time of day. If Joe Public even cares.

Some of you guys might want to step away from the keyboard, enter the real world - and ASK Joe Public if they would like an Open Hearing on Alleged Lance Doping. Try not to frighten Joe when you ask. Frothing at the mouth etc.

I don't see that what Joe Public (if such a creature really exists) wants or cares about is relevant to this. What is relevant is that if LA doesn't ask for an open hearing, those of us who are interested in it will wonder what he's trying to hide. In the past he has said he welcomes the chance to clear the record once and for all. Nothing like an open hearing to do that.

As for who will join LA, Ferrari might not want to show up for any hearing, but Bruyneel (whose response to the USADA letter was considerably more gracious and civilized than that of his star rider) said he would cooperate fully. I assume that means he wants a hearing and will prepare for it.

Since LA and JB are obviously very closely linked, with evidence against one probably also often serving as evidence against another, wouldn’t they share lawyers and strategies? At the very least, the lawyers for each would want to be in close communication, each knowing what the other is going to say.

 

[Polish]

I don't see that what Joe Public (if such a creature really exists) wants or cares about is relevant to this. What is relevant is that if LA doesn't ask for an open hearing, those of us who are interested in it will wonder what he's trying to hide. In the past he has said he welcomes the chance to clear the record once and for all. Nothing like an open hearing to do that.
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Joe Public doesn't care / doesn't want an open hearing.
130 guys in the Clinic want an open hearing.

Which direction do you think Lance is leaning?

 

[MarkvW]

I don't see that what Joe Public (if such a creature really exists) wants or cares about is relevant to this. What is relevant is that if LA doesn't ask for an open hearing, those of us who are interested in it will wonder what he's trying to hide. In the past he has said he welcomes the chance to clear the record once and for all. Nothing like an open hearing to do that.

As for who will join LA, Ferrari might not want to show up for any hearing, but Bruyneel (whose response to the USADA letter was considerably more gracious and civilized than that of his star rider) said he would cooperate fully. I assume that means he wants a hearing and will prepare for it.

Since LA and JB are obviously very closely linked, with evidence against one probably also often serving as evidence against another, wouldn’t they share lawyers and strategies? At the very least, the lawyers for each would want to be in close communication, each knowing what the other is going to say.

Sharing strategies works until the finger-pointing starts. If there isn't any finger-pointing (or the risk of it), then sharing lawyers is a good idea.

In this instance, there's also the question of whether or not it is in the interest of the others charged to link themselves with Lance's scorched-earth tactics. There may come a time when the others may want to plead for something other than a lifetime ban. Lance's interests diverge there--he apparently could care less if he burns every last bridge.

Marti, for example, might want to argue that he was pressured by Armstrong and Bruyneel to implement the doping program with the implied or not-so-implied threat of the loss of his job. If he signed up for a combo-defense, he wouldn't be able to play that mitigation card.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Now that's ironic!

I thought so too.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Since you insist on calling Lance a junkie scumb then i would like to be able to speak with you on a north clic level. More or less like dealing with ferns in the roller or spin room. Benifits of the fern and all. I am sure you can understand.

No, everybody knows Lance is JS. Just ferns in your work-out space. Ferns work for all athletic disciplines. Just make you have a CO2 detector.

 

[MarkvW]

Every legitimate sports reporter wants an open hearing. And they are going to ask Lance about an open hearing every time they get a chance.

Lance simply cannot deal with that question. An open hearing is the kiss of death.

Prediction: Lance is not going to have any interviews where he is not in complete control of the interviewer. That's why I think he's going to be interviewed by his pet bobke during the TdF.

 

[Anonymous]

No way should the hearing be open. That is a witch hunt trap.

It is obvious to Joe Public why Lance would not want to give the Witch Hunters the time of day. If Joe Public even cares.

Some of you guys might want to step away from the keyboard, enter the real world - and ASK Joe Public if they would like an Open Hearing on Alleged Lance Doping. Try not to frighten Joe when you ask. Frothing at the mouth etc.

Only a trap if the truth will hurt.

This isn't about Joe Public.

The rest of your garbage is off topic.

 

[Anonymous]

Joe Public doesn't care / doesn't want an open hearing.
130 guys in the Clinic want an open hearing.

Which direction do you think Lance is leaning?

Is that your opinion stated as fact or do you have links to corroborate?

Lance is leaning the direction of hiding under a rock. No links, just opinion.

 

[Anonymous]

Every legitimate sports reporter wants an open hearing. And they are going to ask Lance about an open hearing every time they get a chance.

Lance simply cannot deal with that question. An open hearing is the kiss of death.

Prediction: Lance is not going to have any interviews where he is not in complete control of the interviewer. That's why I think he's going to be interviewed by his pet bobke during the TdF.

If Lance were not guilty he'd want all of it in the open so everyone could plainly see the quality of the "evidence"... to demonstrate how Tygart is waisting everyone's time... to illustrate how the testimony of 10 eyewitness is nothing more than outright lies from jealous former teammates.

It's what an innocent man would do.

And btw, I don't think you will see Lance interviewed by anyone anytime soon.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Only a trap if the truth will hurt.

This isn't about Joe Public.

The rest of your garbage is off topic.

Please don't point that out. It's all legitimate discourse regarding the USADA. Only honest mistakes in fact are made. The fact that the entire process of what is happening is factually counter to the posts of several people here is just an innocent thing.

The truth is that the process is was legitimized by Lance and his cohorts. The truth is that the reason they are withholding names and information is that Lance has a proven record of trying to destroy anyone who tells the truth about him. Everyone on both sides knows the truth of that. It's just that his supporters are momentarily stricken with memory loss when they post.

The USADA is taking care of this just as it needs to be taken care of. The evidence appears to be irrefutably strong. Of course, we will never know about that. Lance would never let an open hearing take place. He'll come up with some excuse to keep it all under wraps. It will make it easier for his supporters to have those momentary lapses of memory when discussing the topic in the future.

 

[college]

MOD NOTE: There have been enough warnings in this thread to stay on topic.

 

[Oldman]

No way should the hearing be open. That is a witch hunt trap.

It is obvious to Joe Public why Lance would not want to give the Witch Hunters the time of day. If Joe Public even cares.

Some of you guys might want to step away from the keyboard, enter the real world - and ASK Joe Public if they would like an Open Hearing on Alleged Lance Doping. Try not to frighten Joe when you ask. Frothing at the mouth etc.

"Entering the real world" is suggesting there is a common reality. The other night some friends debated the current "knowledge" of the case. Some new of Hincapie's likely testimony and much of the other evidence that's been hotly debated. Others, and these are dedicated cyclists; echoed the sentiment that "nothing good would come from and investigation" and that "we should just move on". The latter group had zero racers and the former were retired or active racers. A very broad sense of awareness and interest. None of them were named Joe or last name Public.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Who's deluca?

Apparently, college is referring to these guys.

http://www.deandeluca.com/

 

[fishtacos]

For anyone who wants to wear their allegiance literally on their sleeve while the USADA case continues, a company called Pedal Pushers is selling a "Defend Lance" t-shirt:

http://www.pedalpushersclub.com/collections/t-shirts/products/defend-lance

"Has he really not done enough for the sport already? 500 drug tests, never tested positive.
Limited edition, probably won't be reprinted until the next time they try to vilify the guy."

Nowhere does it say if any of the proceeds will go to his legal defense fund... I guess if he's going to go down, someone might as well make one last shot at profiting off his name.

 

[JA.Tri]

As alluded to: recently, upthread, while Lance is part of a cohort, that cohort is not a group of equals. Not equal in the sense (IMO) of different levels of culpability.

The suggestion was made that members of the cohort might desire different strategies and that a united front might not work in the best interests of each individual. I emphatically agree.

My guess is that as the matter proceeds, the united front will crack, splinter and eventually disintegrate...as each individual scrambles for the best strategy/outcome they perceive they can obtain.

As such, I believe that some will turn and provide evidence that relieves them of some responsibility. This evidence will inadvertently or otherwise incriminate others in the cohort.

No way will a united front be maintained.

 

[rhubroma]

For anyone who wants to wear their intelligence literally on their sleeve while the USADA case continues, a company called Pedal Pushers is selling a "Defend Lance" t-shirt:

http://www.pedalpushersclub.com/collections/t-shirts/products/defend-lance

"Has he really not done enough for the sport already? 500 drug tests, never tested positive.
Limited edition, probably won't be reprinted until the next time they try to vilify the guy."

Nowhere does it say if any of the proceeds will go to his legal defense fund... I guess if he's going to go down, someone might as well make one last shot at profiting off his name.

Correction.

 

[D-Queued]

For anyone who wants to wear their allegiance literally on their sleeve while the USADA case continues, a company called Pedal Pushers is selling a "Defend Lance" t-shirt:

http://www.pedalpushersclub.com/collections/t-shirts/products/defend-lance

"Has he really not done enough for the sport already? 500 drug tests, never tested positive.
Limited edition, probably won't be reprinted until the next time they try to vilify the guy."

Nowhere does it say if any of the proceeds will go to his legal defense fund... I guess if he's going to go down, someone might as well make one last shot at profiting off his name.

We have beaten this to death before, but in the context of this thread and the PR BS, apparently we get to point out the lies all over again.

First, we absolutely know that he has officially tested positive once and that he has admitted this. We also know that he got off on a faked TUE. This is one violation that hopefully is part of the USADA case.

Second, the 500 tests are complete and total BS - and it is an obviously contrived number.

Even if the passport tests were included, the total number of tests would be a small fraction.

Official tests conducted by USADA on Lance over the past 12 years by USADA: 29.

Add a couple of dozen more tests conducted during the Tour due to placement and stage wins, and we are still a long, long way from 500.

My second wish for USADA's case is to expose the actual number to underscore what a complete lying sac o sh** Lance is.

Dave.

 

[fishtacos]

Lie; Advertising Copy - Potato; Pot-ah-to...

I would love to see Lance & Co. try and come up with the dates and circumstances of the 500 tests. I mean, he must have a list, right? To make the claim, he must have counted them all very, very accurately.


Right?



I don't know if USADA goes in for pedantry in their rulings, but an evisceration of the 500 claim as an aside or a footnote would be spectacularly amusing.

 

[Cloxxki]

If the total tests by USADA and UCI don't add up to 500, will Armstrong claims he's been witch hunted by fake testers? It would quasi-justify his behavior towards some testers that dared to call on him.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Joe Public gets his say

Finally Joe Public gets his say

 

[Benotti69]

Finally Joe Public gets his say

looking forward to seeing the 'Doper Lance' tees