USADA - Armstrong

[Race Radio]

Manged admission in the works

 

[mewmewmew13]

I can see McQuaid announcing some form of "doping ammesty" program. Attempting to create something to look good and getting themselves out of the Armstrong problem.

He's hopelessly compromised. Still, its hard to see how he'll fall even if the corruption is revealed. Who would dare run a vote of no confidence?

He can always pull the "I was under pressure to do this" and maybe even try to throw Armstrong under the bus...

 

[FitSsikS]

Manged admission in the works

I can't wait...but I will.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Manged admission in the works

I hope it involves publicly apologizing to all of the people he has slandered and hurt over the years. It won't because he believes they deserved it, but here is to hope. I hope it also includes the details of how he went to the UCI and played the "Look at my story. People are inspired by it. Look at the money I bring cycling. Look at the US audience who now watches because of me. Think of the money I will bring in if you just let me do it my way and protect me in doing so" and how they decided to play along.

In all honesty, the UCI is ultimately the worst offender in this. They created a system for people like Lance that allowed the pollution of doping to continue, and many more people to be hurt and destroyed because of that. Cycling was seen as a filthy sport because it was, and it was because the UCI allowed some people to sh*t all over the room in full view of all of the other riders. How could the sport ever be clean with the UCI playing both sides behind the scenes?

I want Pat and Hein to go down as much if not more than Lance. Their complicity ruined the sport for many years and they deserve to go down for their sins.

 

[BroDeal]

Manged admission in the works

In exchange for what?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Manged admission in the works

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Please tel us when ....

 

[Velodude]

If you recall the 2011 "60 Minutes" interview with Tyler Hamilton he revealed USPS team members were issued with secret cell phones with SIMs not registered in their name so they could freely discuss drug doping amongst the cabal.

I wonder if Hein & Pat have multiple cell phones of suspicious origin?

Every day Pat is more resembling the epitome of an Irish joke (apologies to the other Irish).

 

[Irish2009]

Dont worry Velodude, were damn good at disassociating ourselves with people like that.

 

[Oldman]

I hope it involves publicly apologizing to all of the people he has slandered and hurt over the years. It won't because he believes they deserved it, but here is to hope. I hope it also includes the details of how he went to the UCI and played the "Look at my story. People are inspired by it. Look at the money I bring cycling. Look at the US audience who now watches because of me. Think of the money I will bring in if you just let me do it my way and protect me in doing so" and how they decided to play along.

In all honesty, the UCI is ultimately the worst offender in this. They created a system for people like Lance that allowed the pollution of doping to continue, and many more people to be hurt and destroyed because of that. Cycling was seen as a filthy sport because it was, and it was because the UCI allowed some people to sh*t all over the room in full view of all of the other riders. How could the sport ever be clean with the UCI playing both sides behind the scenes?

I want Pat and Hein to go down as much if not more than Lance. Their complicity ruined the sport for many years and they deserve to go down for their sins.

Now we might see what leads to the information disclosed in Europe via Interpol and the various law enforcement agencies that have been investigating distribution. This, not as a part of the USADA process but more as a consequence of it. UCI has alot of filth to hide and they probably can't keep track of it all.

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

Wada "Stand down Fat Pat you are in it over your head"
Lance "I need to get to the store for some depends"

Me "hahahahahahahaha, thank you WADA"

 

[Turner29]

Has this been posted yet?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20120807/wada-uci-lance-armstrong-case/

WADA urges UCI to support the U.S. in case against Lance Armstrong


MONTREAL (AP) -- The World Anti-Doping Agency has urged cycling's governing body to support United States anti-doping officials and provide documents to help their case against Lance Armstrong. WADA said it wrote to International Cycling Union President Pat McQuaid on Tuesday, asking him to withdraw a request to take jurisdiction of the Armstrong case from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

WADA said it reminds the cycling body that the agency "which discovered the violation must have results management authority" in a case....

 

[Berzin]

When asked by VeloNews about the letter during the post-race press conference for the men’s Olympic keirin, McQuaid said, “I prefer not to talk about the U.S. Anti-Doping agency. I’m here to talk about the Olympic Games.”

And why would he want to discuss what is turning out to be one of the biggest scandals the UCI has ever had to face?

He's doing a great job of managing the situation so far, let him enjoy the Olympics!!!

 

[Spider1964]

Exactly.

Beyond that, we concentrate on the european pro side of the sport here but the average national fed just cares about the Olympics, amateur cycling, and a very small to non-existent pro side of the sport in their own country or region. The European pro stuff does not matter much to the small countries, and they may even support the UCI's attempt to sweep doping under the rug.

I'm not trying to nitpick here BroDeal, because I agree with your sentiments, but no-one has done more to sweep doping under the rug than the European peloton... on the road and off. If Armstrong, FatPat, Hein, the UCI and everyone else going down, changes the sport for the better, then so be it.

Omerta isn't solely practised 'within' the Peloton.

 

[TheEnoculator]

McQuaid was an idiot for barking up USADA's tree. This isn't about cycling, this is about doping. USADA has as much jurisdiction over Armstrong as over Marion Jones, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. McQuaid's original response was what UCI's position supposed to be: let USADA do their investigations, don't get involved unless they are being asked to, and understand the tests aren't 100% (no medical test is ever 100%). At least the original response didn't make UCI look guilty. Now McQuaid put out the EXACT same argument as Armstrong over this jurisdiction crap, and made UCI look like they were part of the conspiracy. Bad enough for WADA to tell McQuaid to back off.

I didn't believe UCI would cover up Armstrong's positive tests. Now with McQuaid's letters, I'm now certain that UCI was involved in the cover up.

Bring them all down, USADA. Cycling can move on only if the biggest offenders are crucified.

 

[thehog]

And why would he want to discuss what is turning out to be one of the biggest scandals the UCI has ever had to face?

He's doing a great job of managing the situation so far, let him enjoy the Olympics!!!

The issue now. Regardless of what happens is the UCI under McQuaid is forever tainted. Any other athlete who comes under a doping review can never feel they are getting a fair hearing from the UCI. There impartiality has gone forever.

I know it was never there. But now it's public.

I honestly think McQuaid thought his letters wouldn't see the light of day.

 

[observer]

if an admission is in the works, then I wonder if it will extend to the UCI.

If the evidence points to guilt, and a conspiracy, I do wonder how deep it does go. From posts around here, and various articles here and there, it does really seem that the UCI is totally corrupt. Hopefully it all comes out.

 

[slowspoke]

That sir, is the greatest Gif I have ever seen.

Well Played

 

[BroDeal]

What is Armstrong's best move?

Right now he is concentrating on process and hoping to use a technicality to limit the scope of what is at stake, perhaps to beat the rap completely or delay it until it gets dropped or becomes irrelevant. Eventually he will do what he can to apply pressure to the witnesses, many of whom probably would like to avoid testifying in person. Maybe the number of witnesses can be whittled down to where the case is beatable. Pressing on while expecting the "Hail, Mary" pass has always worked for him in the past for all sorts of issues in his life.

Can he make a deal to accept losing the 2004 and 2005 TdFs in exchange for the USADA not going beyond the statute of limitations? The precedent for going outside the SOL looks sketchy to me. It involves deceiving prior anti-doping proceedings and the athlete being denied the benefits of his deception. That is perfectly sensible, but it is not clear that actions outside of an anti-doping proceeding will be seen as equivalent. The USADA may have not want that tested in CAS. They may also be relieved to chalk up a win and save the money and effort of a war. Witnesses like Hincapie and Leipheimer would undoubtedly be pleased to not be drawn into the circus that a full-on battle would become.

 

[thehog]

What is Armstrong's best move?

Right now he is concentrating on process and hoping to use a technicality to limit the scope of what is at stake, perhaps to beat the rap completely or delay it until it gets dropped or becomes irrelevant. Eventually he will do what he can to apply pressure to the witnesses, many of whom probably would like to avoid testifying in person. Maybe the number of witnesses can be whittled down to where the case is beatable. Pressing on while expecting the "Hail, Mary" pass has always worked for him in the past for all sorts of issues in his life.

Can he make a deal to accept losing the 2004 and 2005 TdFs in exchange for the USADA not going beyond the statute of limitations? The precedent for going outside the SOL looks sketchy to me. It involves deceiving prior anti-doping proceedings and the athlete being denied the benefits of his deception. That is perfectly sensible, but it is not clear that actions outside of an anti-doping proceeding will be seen as equivalent. The USADA may have not want that tested in CAS. They may also be relieved to chalk up a win and save the money and effort of a war. Witnesses like Hincapie and Leipheimer would undoubtedly be pleased to not be drawn into the circus that a full-on battle would become.

USADA will give him nothing unless he offers up the UCI.

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Manged admission in the works

Did you mean managed or mangled?

Lance's legal and PR team are exceptional manglers.

 

[filipo]

i hope it involves publicly apologizing to all of the people he has slandered and hurt over the years. It won't because he believes they deserved it, but here is to hope. I hope it also includes the details of how he went to the uci and played the "look at my story. People are inspired by it. Look at the money i bring cycling. Look at the us audience who now watches because of me. Think of the money i will bring in if you just let me do it my way and protect me in doing so" and how they decided to play along.

Hope rides again!

 

[Turner29]

My guess is that on Friday, Judge Sparks will rule in favor of the USADA and reject any attempt by Armstrong to further delay the case. Armstrong will then not accept Arbitration, citing that he considers it an unfair "kangaroo" court, even though documents show in the past he readily accepted USADA jurisdiction.

The USADA will then strip him of his titles and ban him for life. Armstrong will challenge with some sort of legal suit, the basis of which remains to be seen.

 

[sittingbison]

..Armstrong will challenge with some sort of legal suit, the basis of which remains to be seen.

 

[PosterBill]

What details will emerge if Armstrong chooses to hunker down. If I was his lawyer I would advise him to take the punishment and keep denying. He will do teary eyed interview "Look jim, they were coming after for 20 years and they'll be coming after me the next 20. I HAD to get this over with for my family even if I was innocent"

And he'll probably skate and be forgiven..his brand will tarnish for a few years and then come back.

 

[Race Radio]

The next few days will be a mess for Wonderboy. He needs to work on his exit strategy, if he continues on this path it will all come apart. I have heard for months it would be some form of managed admission. Time to dust that copy off and get some fool to run with it.

The UCI has made a serious mistake that damages the sport. Don't forget they have been a mess for years. In 2007 the IOC even thought about tossing them out.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycling-risks-olympics-axe-senior-ioc-member-11739/