USADA will investigate

[Hugh Januss]

the multiple eye witness testimony that LA didn't dope or the multiple eye witness testimony which says he did? Eye witness account will be evenly split..some will have said he did dope and some that they never saw it..USADA needs a + control or a used syringe or an admition from LA. USADA don't have the material from the grand jury yet anyway, if they're ever allowed it legally. LA doped and got away with it. Deal with it!

Someone could get 75 people to come into the courtroom and say they never saw him rob a bank, but if 4 people say they did see him rob a bank and name the bank and the time, he could be in trouble.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Well of course.

Now all that is left if for goober to come in and give us some inside info. Only to be called out for sources and links.

 

[Dave_1]

Apart from the unstable woman under pressure from Lance via Oakley who has sworn under oath to the GJ or to the feds that Lance never doped.

And just because person A says they never saw him dope, it doesn't mean that person B could not possibly have seen him dope on a different occasion.

I imagine USADA have a fairly good idea of who was in the know (The A Team) and who was out of the loop, and will have testimony (as well as locations and dates) to support this.

There is still some hope on this.

I see Kayle Leogrande was photoed holding EPO vials, was a proven customer of Joe Papp via paperwork signed by Kayle acknowledging EPO transaction, and also gave suspect samples between summer 2006 and 2007.

Are there any photos of LA holding EPO vials, or LA's hand writing/letters acknowledging EPO?

There are allegations, disputed by some witnesses who say untrue and also highly contestable anti-doping samples in LA's case which could never convict. With Kayle Leogrand you have smoking gun type evidence...with LA, not i'm afraid. A grand jury would have had LA in jail if evidence like Leogrande's existed. USADA will get nowhere. It's over. Deal with it!

 

[MarkvW]

I see Kayle Leogrande was photoed holding EPO vials, was a proven customer of Joe Papp via paperwork signed by Kayle acknowledging EPO transaction, and also gave suspect samples between summer 2006 and 2007.

Are there any photos of LA holding EPO vials, or LA's hand writing/letters acknowledging EPO?

There are allegations, disputed by some witnesses who say untrue and also highly contestable anti-doping samples in LA's case which could never convict. With Kayle Leogrand you have smoking gun type evidence...with LA, not i'm afraid. A grand jury would have had LA in jail if evidence like Leogrande's existed. USADA will get nowhere. It's over. Deal with it!

Another problem is that WADA can only reopen an investigation relating to Lance's Postie doping--their limitation period prevents them from starting a new investigation related to postie doping. Narrows the range of bad stuff they could potentially tag Lance with.

I'd bet that the feds have fabulous evidence of Lance's doping--if only USADA could get it.

 

[Caruut]

the multiple eye witness testimony that LA didn't dope or the multiple eye witness testimony which says he did? Eye witness account will be evenly split..some will have said he did dope and some that they never saw it..USADA needs a + control or a used syringe or an admition from LA. USADA don't have the material from the grand jury yet anyway, if they're ever allowed it legally. LA doped and got away with it. Deal with it!

You'd be an amusing witness at a murder trial - "Well your honour, in the accused's defence, I haven't ever seen him murder anyone, so technically it's 1-1".

 

[Dave_1]

You'd be an amusing witness at a murder trial - "Well your honour, in the accused's defence, I haven't ever seen him murder anyone, so technically it's 1-1".

Well, the prosecution would have to have a witness + some material evidence of the murder or else it would be 1-1.

 

[Dave_1]

Another problem is that WADA can only reopen an investigation relating to Lance's Postie doping--their limitation period prevents them from starting a new investigation related to postie doping. Narrows the range of bad stuff they could potentially tag Lance with.

I'd bet that the feds have fabulous evidence of Lance's doping--if only USADA could get it.

I bet they don't.

 

[Merckx index]

Sure, lots of riders have been seen doping duh. How would a anti-doping body choose which riders to sanction and which riders to let off?

Maybe they would sanction all of them? Or is that, uh, you know, too much like following the rules?

how many times does Lance need to lie about the situation? He has consistently lied about it at least a thousand times. Maybe more than a thousand. Most Consistenty Lying Athlete of All Times.

Are there any photos of LA holding EPO vials, or LA's hand writing/letters acknowledging EPO?writing/letters acknowledging EPO?

I guess there should be no case against Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens, either. Neither has much more than hearsay evidence against him, considerably flimsier than what LA has against him. Yet both are universally recognized as dopers, neither will make the HOF, Bonds was forced into retirement because after SF let him go no other team was interested. And in both cases, the evidence was considered strong enough to justify criminal proceedings, where the standard is higher.

There are allegations, disputed by some witnesses who say untrue

Really? There are witnesses who say that Floyd and Tyler did not see what they said they saw? That they were with Floyd and Tyler at the time they claim to have seen or talked to LA, and that LA did not say or do the things that Floyd and Tyler claimed?

and also highly contestable anti-doping samples in LA's case

Care to explain what is contestable about the ’99 samples?

 

[Race Radio]

if USADA has no + test from LA and he denies allegations , and there is no smoking gun-e.g. a syringe or dealer with proof, and the paper trail is explainable or not sufficient for a grand jury to go to a trial, then another doper has got away with it. In my opinion Lance has got away with doping. Nothing much can be done now. It's move on time for the clinic I guess.

You are probably right. The Mods should just close the thread

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

RR, do you know if the Feds are passing info on to USADA? I don't see how a USADA investigation could get anywhere without that.

 

[Race Radio]

In this months Men Journal when talking about the potential USADA case Wonderboy says he is done fighting. If/when "Other things arise" (USADA) he is "Not Contesting" Even if it means losing a Tour Title

 

[thehog]

In this months Men Journal when talking about the potential USADA case Wonderboy says he is done fighting. If/when "Other things arise" (USADA) he is "Not Contesting" Even if it means losing a Tour Title

I like the strategy. I assume with no contest nothing comes out in the press?

 

[Race Radio]

Says he would not care if they took one of his Tours.

As I have said from the start, managed admission. Plea Bargain.

 

[thehog]

Says he would not care if they took one of his Tours.

As I have said from the start, managed admission. Plea Bargain.

But what if a quim tupllet suit emerged. Wouldn't want to be admitting too much?

He sounds exhausted. Or maybe this is the new strategy? I'm sure he never does anything unless there's some benefit in it for himself.

 

[Polish]

I hope they givt one to Jan. I think we can all agree, Lance too, that that would be cool. Heck, Lance is more generous these days - so he may even say "take 2 Jan". For old times sake.

 

[MarkvW]

I like the strategy. I assume with no contest nothing comes out in the press?

Given how the process has gone in other cases, I think that is the case.

USADA would never take on Armstrong with a weak case. Why would he contest something he'd surely lose? Giving up doesn't give the media anything to feed on for more than a couple weeks. Contesting means months of the media feasting on his flesh--and perhaps the risk of perjury. Pharm has felt the hot breath of the government on his vitals--he's not going to want to go there again if he can avoid it! He'll also want to minimize the duration of the publicity hit. Not to mention the enormous legal costs he'd have to bear (he watched Floyd get his innards gouged out).

It would be a true monument to pro cycling if Armstrong were stripped of his title and the "deserving" second-place finisher was able to "justly" ascend to the rank of Champion. Pro cycling is so hilariously filthy! How can anybody take it seriously?

We'll have to see what USADA does.

 

[thehog]

I do wonder what those wacky funsters at the UCI will do if the USADA strip?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Lets see it USADA. From what we read here it is forthcoming. Well lets have it.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I do wonder what those wacky funsters at the UCI will do if the USADA strip?

I guess everyone will have to clean house before the Olympics then?

 

[thehog]

I guess everyone will have to clean house before the Olympics then?

What will Phil Liggert do? Apart from cry but will he just take it as Lance is sick of fighting trumped up charges based on lies?

Sounds to me it's a legal move rather than anything else. He can't afford to admit.

 

[mewmewmew13]

What will Phil Liggert do? Apart from cry but will he just take it as Lance is sick of fighting trumped up charges based on lies?

Sounds to me it's a legal move rather than anything else. He can't afford to admit.

I would guess so. I think Lance must be on a very short leash right now.
Must have some inner turmoil going on ....

 

[BroDeal]

What will Phil Liggert do? Apart from cry but will he just take it as Lance is sick of fighting trumped up charges based on lies?

Sounds to me it's a legal move rather than anything else. He can't afford to admit.

He did not want to dope. In the run up to his last Tour, age was starting to have its effect. There were so many people fighting cancer that were counting on him to perform at the Tour that he felt he could not let them down, so he gave into temptation and took drugs on one or two occasions before the race. He is really sorry he let them down. He will now work twice as hard in the struggle against cancer to make it up to those he disappointed.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It looks to me like there is a serious case of man-love going on between MJ and Lance. Articles about his 'revenge' and how he's going to kick **** because he is so angry.

Lance's own 'Oprah' alternative but without tears....

A good place for the spin management to begin.
and here's but one example:
http://www.mensjournal.com/lances-revenge

ad nauseaum....

 

[thehog]

It looks to me like there is a serious case of man-love going on between MJ and Lance. Articles about his 'revenge' and how he's going to kick **** because he is so angry.

Lance's own 'Oprah' alternative but without tears....

A good place for the spin management to begin.
and here's but one example:
http://www.mensjournal.com/lances-revenge

ad nauseaum....

Although from 2010 wouldya listen to him..... saving cycling? Seriously?


"...... But pretty soon, Armstrong is talking about saving cycling.

“It’s the third-biggest sporting event in the world, and it attracts worldwide attention and worldwide sponsorship and millions of spectators a day. It’s massive,” he says. “But in so many other ways, it is completely ghetto. Everybody looks at the other person and thinks that they’re either trying to **** them over or they’re getting ****ed.”

"Still, Armstrong says he returned to be a uniter, not a divider: “There was an aspect that said I need to go back and settle this thing down because cycling was out of control and it needed some stability; it needed a leader.”

He shrugs his bony shoulders. “I’m not sure I’m that leader, but a lot of other guys in the group, guys that I didn’t need to kiss my ***, said, ‘I’m glad you’re here because you’ve given us some direction. If there’s one guy who’s going to have our back, and if it’s ****ty hotels or dangerous road conditions or getting screwed around by different doping agencies, or whatever it might be, Armstrong’s going to get our back.’ ”

 

[mewmewmew13]

Although from 2010 wouldya listen to him..... saving cycling? Seriously?


"...... But pretty soon, Armstrong is talking about saving cycling.

“It’s the third-biggest sporting event in the world, and it attracts worldwide attention and worldwide sponsorship and millions of spectators a day. It’s massive,” he says. “But in so many other ways, it is completely ghetto. Everybody looks at the other person and thinks that they’re either trying to **** them over or they’re getting ****ed.”

"Still, Armstrong says he returned to be a uniter, not a divider: “There was an aspect that said I need to go back and settle this thing down because cycling was out of control and it needed some stability; it needed a leader.”

He shrugs his bony shoulders. “I’m not sure I’m that leader, but a lot of other guys in the group, guys that I didn’t need to kiss my ***, said, ‘I’m glad you’re here because you’ve given us some direction. If there’s one guy who’s going to have our back, and if it’s ****ty hotels or dangerous road conditions or getting screwed around by different doping agencies, or whatever it might be, Armstrong’s going to get our back.’ ”

um.......