Usain Bolt/Carl Lewis

[Race Radio]

Many years ago my roommate was a 100/200m sprinter. His agent had connections with the SMTC guys and he went to train with them in Texas for a few months.

He didn't see a smoking gun but the rumor was HGH and a "Designer" steroid that was undetectable. I thought this was fantasy until I heard about BALCO

The best stories were about Carol, not Carl......

 

[The Hitch]

Hang on a sec. So Heredia is Bolts trainer right?

And Heredia said in 2008 that whoever won the 100m final (Bolt) would be doping, and that if it was done in 9.7 (Bolt 9.69) it was doping, right?

So in other words, Bolts trainer is a guy who has gone on record accusing Bolt of doping.

Is it only us deranged evil conspiracy theorists in the clinic that see the above sentence as a sign that Usain Bolt may be doping?

 

[The Hitch]

In this video at 5.40 the presenter says that Conte was sent a vial by a chemist he knew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqAUm1Tjek

Is the Chemist Angel Heredia?

 

[jimbags]

Hang on a sec. So Heredia is Bolts trainer right?

There's no evidence of this.

 

[TubularBills]

Submitted without comment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19204226

 

[TheInternet]

Finished last in his heat in Humility, but took home the gold in ******baggery. May Armstrong give us a sample of the sweet sounds of the mighty falling to come.

 

[The Hitch]

Blake 9.69 now.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

9.69; had it already posted at the "dope olympic thread" some hrs ago...

And the jamaicans dominated the 200 at will too. All with (formerly ) world class times.

 

[Stueyy]

Blake 9.69 now.

What will come first, Blake dying from coronary failure or another positive with a slap on the wrist from the Jamaican anti-doping (oxymoron if ever I heard one) commission?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No more positive will come up. He´s already too big to fail. So if anything the sickness will come.

 

[Bicycle]

What will come first, Blake dying from coronary failure or another positive with a slap on the wrist from the Jamaican anti-doping (oxymoron if ever I heard one) commission?

Has Blake had a positive then?

Edit: ah I see yes back in 2009. Not on the prohibited list though

After the race he said he'd had 'flu all week

 

[masking_agent]

Armstrong in 2012, Bolt could be next in the upcoming years.

 

[will10]

Has Blake had a positive then?

Edit: ah I see yes back in 2009. Not on the prohibited list though

After the race he said he'd had 'flu all week

yeah he and five other Jamaicans just happened to be using the same toothpaste. It happens.

 

[Bicycle]

Blake 9.76 tonight in a cold and wet Zurich.

The testers are way behind the game now. What do you think he's doing some sort of microdosing maybe?

 

[TheInternet]

THG was once undetectable. You can't rule out that another designer steroid hasn't been developed to slip past the current battery of tests.

 

[taiwan]

Microdosing EPO would be of little or no advantage in actually racing the 100m, although it would be useful for training - reason being the event is entirely anaerobic. Am I right, or is that wrong or oversimplistic?

Having said that, if Dwain Chambers shopping list was anything to go by, some sprinters just use everything going.

 

[Bicycle]

Interestingly in the mens noone's got near the world records of 1500m and upwards for some years. Suggests they are having trouble developing an undetectable drug effective for these stamina events.

Or maybe the new athletes just aren't as good?

 

[Bicycle]

Microdosing EPO would be of little or no advantage in actually racing the 100m, although it would be useful for training - reason being the event is entirely anaerobic. Am I right, or is that wrong or oversimplistic?

Some sort of stimulant maybe? Before he ran 9.69 in Lausanne last week Blake said he'd had 'flu all week. Maybe getting in a TUE excuse just in case?

 

[KayLow]

Microdosing EPO would be of little or no advantage in actually racing the 100m, although it would be useful for training - reason being the event is entirely anaerobic. Am I right, or is that wrong or oversimplistic?

Having said that, if Dwain Chambers shopping list was anything to go by, some sprinters just use everything going.

Marion Jones had one of her A samples return a positive for EPO during a competition test. The B sample was negative. We know, however, that she did use EPO.

Kelli White did test positive for EPO during in competition testing.

Really, if you are already cheating, lying and stealing, you might as well go in all the way. EPO may not help sprinters as much as other doping products, but their bodies are still using oxygen during the sprints and, all things being equal, more oxygen will equal higher sustained power output. If it only improves performance by .5%, that will be enough to justify taking the risk in the minds of many athletes.

 

[D-Queued]

Microdosing EPO would be of little or no advantage in actually racing the 100m, although it would be useful for training - reason being the event is entirely anaerobic. Am I right, or is that wrong or oversimplistic?

Having said that, if Dwain Chambers shopping list was anything to go by, some sprinters just use everything going.

You still need blood, right?

Dave.

 

[poupou]

Sprinters use EPO to train harder than clean athletes. EPO helps recovering too. And more oxygen during race is not bad for muscles!

 

[taiwan]

Clearly not an expert, but I don't think you do require oxygen during a ten second effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP-PC#ATP-PC_system

I accept that sprinters are using it though. I haven't quite got a grasp of what the primary elements are in a sprinter's programme yet. Testosterone, steroids, HGH?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Clearly not an expert, but I don't think you do require oxygen during a ten second effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP-PC#ATP-PC_system

I accept that sprinters are using it though. I haven't quite got a grasp of what the primary elements are in a sprinter's programme yet. Testosterone, steroids, HGH?

Most of the stuff Chambers admitted to using it could be viewed that he was using them for their stimulant purposes although he might just have been addicted to popping pills.

Chamber's admitted to using Insulin Lispro, Tygart said in radio interview last week that the US postal were using Insulin, it surprised me because I thought the risk of hypoglycaemia would be too great at the end of a cyclist's training session, unless they were using in between meals.

I would guess they would use epo when they were doing multiple attempts at 100m within one training session, or other types of exercise to make it short and intense. I don't know what a sprinter's training routine looks like I assume they don't just lift weights and run 100m over and over again.

 

[taiwan]

Most of the stuff Chambers admitted to using it could be viewed that he was using them for their stimulant purposes although he might just have been addicted to popping pills.

Chamber's admitted to using Insulin Lispro, Tygart said in radio interview last week that the US postal were using Insulin, it surprised me because I thought the risk of hypoglycaemia would be too great at the end of a cyclist's training session, unless they were using in between meals.

I would guess they would use epo when they were doing multiple attempts at 100m within one training session, or other types of exercise to make it short and intense. I don't know what a sprinter's training routine looks like I assume they don't just lift weights and run 100m over and over again.

I think training for the 100m will involve weights, plyometrics, lots of drills ie skipping and stuff, and reps from 30m to 150m say, mostly with a generous recovery. Anyway EPO would definitely be of use for training/recovery, and for racing 200m which many will do also. Don't quite understand the benefit of insulin in sport yet. That's a wiki page I've yet to read, but that's interesting, ty..

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Weird how this article mentions Usain Bolt as a client of Angel "Memo" Heredia having done an interview with him but doesn't give any direct quotes:

http://translate.google.com/transla...boxe/roy-jones-se-voit-en-jean-pascal-2052013

It's technically a legal association, correct?

Heredia gave evidence against Trevor Graham in exchange for leniency but escaped sanctions so Bolt can still work with him without sanctions from WADA. The only damage would be to his reputation.