Velo d’Or 2023

[tobydawq]

It should be MVDP, how he won was way more impressive

How on Earth was Pogacar's wins not impressive?

 

[Berniece]

How on Earth was Pogacar's wins not impressive?

I didn't say it wasn't impressive, but less impressive than the wins from MVDP.

Pogacar
De Ronde he won by 15s. Amstel he won solo due to a car, and weak opposition. Fleche is Fleche... Lombardia is at the end of the year when people are fading and one of the top favourites fell in the beginning of the race.

MVDP
It's been a while since we have had a picture of a rider finishing solo in San Remo. Roubaix he was by far the strongest, although you could make a case on what if WVA didn't puncture. WC he completely destroyed the opposition and finished by a huge margin.

 

[tobydawq]

I didn't say it wasn't impressive, but less impressive than the wins from MVDP.

Pogacar
De Ronde he won by 15s. Amstel he won solo due to a car, and weak opposition. Fleche is Fleche... Lombardia is at the end of the year when people are fading and one of the top favourites fell in the beginning of the race.

MVDP
It's been a while since we have had a picture of a rider finishing solo in San Remo. Roubaix he was by far the strongest, although you could make a case on what if WVA didn't puncture. WC he completely destroyed the opposition and finished by a huge margin.

'Ronde by 15s', lol.

Yeah, that's all there is to say about that. Pathetic win.

I'm not trying to argue a lot against MvdP but he didn't win 'far more impressively' than Pogacar.

 

[Berniece]

'Ronde by 15s', lol.

Yeah, that's all there is to say about that. Pathetic win.

I'm not trying to argue a lot against MvdP but he didn't win 'far more impressively' than Pogacar.

I never said pathetic win... Just that the wins fro MVDP were more impressive, that doesn't mean the season of Pogacar wasn't impressive, or his wins weren't impressive. Just not as impressive.

 

[tobydawq]

I never said pathetic win... Just that the wins fro MVDP were more impressive, that doesn't mean the season of Pogacar wasn't impressive, or his wins weren't impressive. Just not as impressive.

Pogacar's Ronde-win was mind-blowingly impressive.

 

[Berniece]

Pogacar's Ronde-win was mind-blowingly impressive.

Because of his build? Sure that's true, he's not a true flandrien, so for his build, it was impressive.

 

[Nick2413]

Because of his build? Sure that's true, he's not a true flandrien, so for his build, it was impressive.

Do all the other wins not count bc they weren’t TdF yellow jersey?

 

[tobydawq]

Because of his build? Sure that's true, he's not a true flandrien, so for his build, it was impressive.

It wasn't exactly a run-of-the-mill jock he beat into second...

 

[Berniece]

It wasn't exactly a run-of-the-mill jock he beat into second...

Indeed, that works both ways. Just like MVDP winning the WC by more than 1min30s against the likes of Pogacar/WVA, as well as MSR the way he did was (imo) more impressive. We'll see later tonight who wins, but I hope it'll be MVDP.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Are GCN or anyone else showing the ceremony?

 

[tobydawq]

Indeed, that works both ways. Just like MVDP winning the WC by more than 1min30s against the likes of Pogacar/WVA, as well as MSR the way he did was (imo) more impressive. We'll see later tonight who wins, but I hope it'll be MVDP.

Sure, but both races were on Mathieu's turf. He has been the best rider in De Ronde practically every year since 2019.

And the WCRR was tailormade for him too.

You can't use the time difference for anything IMO.

 

[Salvarani]

Sure, but both races were on Mathieu's turf. He has been the best rider in De Ronde practically every year since 2019.

And the WCRR was tailormade for him too.

You can't use the time difference for anything IMO.

That Pog beat MVDP in Ronde is insane.

Lets see MVDP try to beat Pog in Lombardia, just for comparison.

 

[Rackham]

Vingegaard wins the Vélo d'or.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716873686836523242

 

[Netserk]

As expected. Well deserved!

 

[Rackham]

As expected. Well deserved!

He still couldn't be bothered to show up at the ceremony & claim the reward though.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Velo d'Or for Skeletor! TBH I rated MVP's and Pogacar's chances higher but obviously a dominant display in the biggest race in the world followed by a strong Vuelta showing plus big one-week race wins = a great season.

 

[Winnen]

French magazine chooses both TdF winners..... how surprising.

Or am I too cynical?

 

[Anderis]

It's all about winning the Tour de France.

I think it's unfair to Vingegaard to reduce his season to just Tour de France win. He's never finished lower than 3rd all season, won 2 major one week races and podiumed the Vuelta he could have possibly won without team orders.

Having such seasons like Pogacar or Van der Poel would be enough to win most other seasons, but this season has had many heroes. I think even Roglic's achievements would have won the trophy in some seasons. Tough luck that this all coincided in one year.

 

[Rackham]

I think it's unfair to Vingegaard to reduce his season to just Tour de France win. He's never finished lower than 3rd all season, won 2 major one week races and podiumed the Vuelta he could have possibly won without team orders.

Having such seasons like Pogacar or Van der Poel would be enough to win most other seasons, but this season has had many heroes. I think even Roglic's achievements would have won the trophy in some seasons. Tough luck that this all coincided in one year.

I think it's an overrated award tbh, i.e. there was a definite 'marketing' push this year towards making it a ballon d'or cycling equivalent but the fact the winner didn't even interrupt his holiday to collect the prize says a lot.

Personally I reckon Van der Poel should have probably won it because of how unique it is to have a rider win Milan SR, Roubaix & the Worlds in one season (especially in the dominant fashion he did).

Pog wasn't going to win it because he lost the TdF (by a large margin at the end), so... Vingegaard wins.

 

[Salvarani]

French magazine chooses both TdF winners..... how surprising.

Or am I too cynical?

It is like that no matter what anyone else says.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

One of the dumbest picks in the history of the VdO.

 

[Red Rick]

'Ronde by 15s', lol.

Yeah, that's all there is to say about that. Pathetic win.

I'm not trying to argue a lot against MvdP but he didn't win 'far more impressively' than Pogacar.

To be honest, Ronde by 15 seconds is not winning Worlds by almost 2 minutes including a crash and a broken shoe

 

[Froome]

Probably vingegaard will win because i don't believe that they will not give again the velon d'or for the rider who won the Tour two years in a row. MDVP also deserves to win.

Like i said, no way that a rider wins 2 times in a row the Tour de france and don't get two consecutive times, the velon d'or.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

Congrats to Jonas Vingard! Interesting that the one lasting memory we will have of him this is season is when he chased down his teammate to ensure that another teammate won the Vuelta. A reward for fair play?

 

[staubsauger]

Wow. It's well deserved. Vingegaard is the legitimate winner. He would have won the Tour de France & Vuelta a Espana double if he had wanted. I didn't expect them to actually notify that. But it's the correct decision IMHO and now everything works out fine.