Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[maxmartin]

Haha hopefully Aru's success also means Astana Nibali's camp is doing very well!!!

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Haha hopefully Aru's success also means Astana Nibali's camp is doing very well!!!

I told people that under Trentino, but noone would listen...

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

So, my boy is training with Froomey and AC up mt Teide. Time to get the giro 13 legs on!

 

[SafeBet]

Who's Nibali? We want Fabio Aru at the TdF

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Who's Nibali? We want Fabio Aru at the TdF

next year he'll do a Pantani, but thiss year he have to be satisfied with the Giro/Vuelta double

 

[l.Harm]

the Inner Ring
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La Gazzetta reports Vincenzo Nibali got a letter in late April about "poor performance" signed by Astana boss Vinokourov

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng 2 uur
@kylsie1 there's a backroom clash between staff over methods, signing up to the MPCC etc too


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[Vino attacks everyone]

the Inner Ring
‏@inrng
La Gazzetta reports Vincenzo Nibali got a letter in late April about "poor performance" signed by Astana boss Vinokourov

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng 2 uur
@kylsie1 there's a backroom clash between staff over methods, signing up to the MPCC etc too


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It is called tough love. And his performances has not been up to par this season.

 

[webbie146]

the Inner Ring
‏@inrng
La Gazzetta reports Vincenzo Nibali got a letter in late April about "poor performance" signed by Astana boss Vinokourov

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng 2 uur
@kylsie1 there's a backroom clash between staff over methods, signing up to the MPCC etc too


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They got a new performance-directer/trainer right? Astana has been pretty **** this year overall, except for Aru. Like what the hell happened to Scarponi at the Giro? It's been his worst giro in like 4/5 years I think.

I hope Nibs performs good in the Dauphine, Astana should get there act together.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Agree, not a good start to the season and the old Nibali is sorely missed.

I wanna see some balls in the peloton soon.

Uran and Froome? Christ, a bunch of kids at the playground displays more testosterone.

 

[trevim]

It's lovely how team owners turn against their riders as soon as things start to go wrong. Tinkov and Contador last year, Vino and Nibali now? I wonder what the hell is Amadio doing with Basso

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

It's lovely how team owners turn against their riders as soon as things start to go wrong. Tinkov and Contador last year, Vino and Nibali now? I wonder what the hell is Amadio doing with Basso

I don't know how you would like it, but if a team/athlete performs badly would you want to tell them, or pretend that everything they are doing is great as if it was a football team for 8 year old girls?

 

[trevim]

I don't know how you would like it, but if a team/athlete performs badly would you want to tell them, or pretend that everything they are doing is great as if it was a football team for 8 year old girls?

I don't think a guy like Nibali needs someone to tell him that he's doing bad. Vino would be better off managing Andy Schleck or some guy that after DNF 100 races still claim that "sensations were good". Also, who sends letters?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I don't think a guy like Nibali needs someone to tell him that he's doing bad. Vino would be better off managing Andy Schleck or some guy that after DNF 100 races still claim that "sensations were good". Also, who sends letters?

awesome people do. Thats who

 

[rhubroma]

Nibali is in a very bad situation indeed. After the Ardennes flop he was sent a little letter signed by Vinokourov lamenting that his "performances have not been adequate."

The essence of the note was as follows: "We pay a lot, but we want corresponding results. We don't care about the motives, but those results that till now haven't been seen. Thus handle it, because, as such, things are not going well."

Thus has reported la Gazzetta dello Sport today.

Now I say if they hired Nibali to win the Tour, which they did, then Astana has gotten exactly what it deserves. Vinokourov and co. should have known that the best Nibali, no offense, can't dominate the best Contador, or best Froome, and not even the best Quintana. Consequently they made a poor investment, though that's not Nibali's fault. He is a Giro winner and Tour podium at best, which he has already achieved.

Nibali, for his part, is no doubt totally stressed, disillusioned and even furious, for which the strong arm tactic adopted by the Kazaks will probably only worsen his situation and theirs.

Then there is the tension between Beppe Martinelli and Aleksander Shefer over race programs, equipment and preparation. It is impossible for such disparate personalities and cultures to see eye-to-eye.

 

[webbie146]

Nibali is in a very bad situation indeed. After the Ardennes flop he was sent a little letter signed by Vinokourov lamenting that his "performances have not been adequate."

The essence of the note was as follows: "We pay a lot, but we want corresponding results. We don't care about the motives, but those results that till now haven't been seen. Thus handle it, because, as such, things are not going well."

Thus has reported la Gazzetta dello Sport today.

Now I say if they hired Nibali to win the Tour, which they did, then Astana has gotten exactly what it deserves. Vinokourov and co. should have known that the best Nibali, no offense, can't dominate the best Contador, or best Froome, and not even the best Quintana. Consequently they made a poor investment, though that's not Nibali's fault. He is a Giro winner and Tour podium at best, which he has already achieved.

Nibali, for his part, is no doubt totally stressed, disillusioned and even furious, for which the strong arm tactic adopted by the Kazaks will probably only worsen his situation and theirs.

Then there is the tension between Beppe Martinelli and Aleksander Shefer over race programs, equipment and preparation. It is impossible for such disparate personalities and cultures to see eye-to-eye.

Is it correct that Astana has hired a new guy this year for training plans, preparation and stuff?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Is it correct that Astana has hired a new guy this year for training plans, preparation and stuff?

think so, can't remember a name though

 

[webbie146]

think so, can't remember a name though

Alright well either he only spends time with Aru or he sucks at his job

 

[rhubroma]

Is it correct that Astana has hired a new guy this year for training plans, preparation and stuff?

From the information I got in the la Gazzetta article the guy would seem to be Aleksander Shefer, though it does not indicate when he was hired.

 

[maxmartin]

Nibali is in a very bad situation indeed. After the Ardennes flop he was sent a little letter signed by Vinokourov lamenting that his "performances have not been adequate."

The essence of the note was as follows: "We pay a lot, but we want corresponding results. We don't care about the motives, but those results that till now haven't been seen. Thus handle it, because, as such, things are not going well."

Thus has reported la Gazzetta dello Sport today.

Now I say if they hired Nibali to win the Tour, which they did, then Astana has gotten exactly what it deserves. Vinokourov and co. should have known that the best Nibali, no offense, can't dominate the best Contador, or best Froome, and not even the best Quintana. Consequently they made a poor investment, though that's not Nibali's fault. He is a Giro winner and Tour podium at best, which he has already achieved.

Nibali, for his part, is no doubt totally stressed, disillusioned and even furious, for which the strong arm tactic adopted by the Kazaks will probably only worsen his situation and theirs.

Then there is the tension between Beppe Martinelli and Aleksander Shefer over race programs, equipment and preparation. It is impossible for such disparate personalities and cultures to see eye-to-eye.

Smog bomb, if the letter is about the Ardeness, why someone choose this peculiar time to disclose it?

 

[hfer07]

bottom line is:

can La Gazzetta be trusted?

 

[maxmartin]

Is it correct that Astana has hired a new guy this year for training plans, preparation and stuff?

his old coach?

While Aru was recording Astana’s most significant results of 2014 at the Giro – so far the team has won just five races – Nibali spent much of May training at altitude at Mount Teide under the stewardship of Paolo Slongo, his old coach from Liquigas who arrived at Astana this winter. “Paolo has told me that he’s going well physically and that’s an important reassurance for me,” Martinelli said."

 

[Gloin22]

Only to Nibali?

The whole Astana team till Giro has been truly afwul. Only Aru and Fugslang performed for the team so far. CQ points:

5. ITA SCARPONI Michele AST 25/09/1979 190
9. ITA GASPAROTTO Enrico AST 22/03/1982 140
10. EST KANGERT Tanel AST 11/03/1987 95
12. NED WESTRA Lieuwe AST 11/09/1982 67
13. KAZ IGLINSKIY Maxim AST 18/04/1981 63
15. UKR GRIVKO Andriy AST 07/08/1983 50
21. SLO BRAJKOVIC Janez AST 18/12/1983 24
22. KAZ LUTSENKO Alexey AST 07/09/1992 23
26. SWE KESSIAKOFF Fredrik AST 17/05/1980 10

All these have done **** all, dont really know what the hell is going in that team.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Westra actually won a stage in Catalunya. Is that jack sh**??

He got injured in april due to a fall in the classics I think

 

[rhubroma]

bottom line is:

can La Gazzetta be trusted?

What kind of a question is that? That La Gazzetta fabricated the story? On this point, which newspapers can be trusted? Only those not Italian? Is that what you are getting at?

During the Giro the RAI commentary mentioned that Aru's third place saved Martinelli's position within Astana (or rather that if Aru didn't podium, Martinelli would have been fired).

Now I immediately thought then that it must be connected to Astana's being unsatisfied with Nibali's results in 2014. The letter has now demonstrated this beyond any doubt.

Nibali probably thought he needed to move to a non-Italian team to step up to another level, as Basso did when he left Fassa-Bartolo for CFC. Yet the two riders and situations are completely different and, aside from his Giro victory, the decision has not been fortuitous.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

What kind of a question is that? That La Gazzetta fabricated the story? On this point, which newspapers can be trusted? Only those not Italian? Is that what you are getting at?

During the Giro the RAI commentary mentioned that Aru's third place saved Martinelli's position within Astana (or rather that if Aru didn't podium, Martinelli would have been fired).

Now I immediately thought then that it must be connected to Astana's being unsatisfied with Nibali's results in 2014. The letter has now demonstrated this beyond any doubt.

Nibali probably thought he needed to move to a non-Italian team to step up to another level, as Basso did when he left Fassa-Bartolo for CFC. Yet the two riders and situations are completely different and, aside from his Giro victory, the decision has not been fortuitous.

Did you see him ride last year? He didn't only win the giro last year I can tell you