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Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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Vino attacks everyone said:
the letter was sent to pretty much everyone on the team. Its a no story really...

Speaking to Velobike.it later on Friday, Nibali's agent Alex Carera said that all of Astana's riders - and not just Nibali - had received the same letter following the team's low-key start to the year. "It was normal to send out a communication asking for 100 percent from the riders," he said.

No, it is a story, as far as Nibali is concerned. In the follow up report in la Gazzetta dello Sport today, we read that whatever the outcome of the Tour the damage done has been apparently irreparable. Wait to see on that, but Nibali's orgoglio (pride) was hurt and he and Astana, barring extraordinary circumstances, will be parting their ways at the end of the season.

The la Gazzetta article indeed mentioned Carera's (the Sicilian's agent) downplaying position, though that can hardly be taken verbatim, and reported that the whole team has not been satisfactory to the Kazakh oligarchs. And this is the problem, the scolding has come from the State through the surrogate Vinokourov.

I realize that the Italian daily is reporting with a certain bias, though when it comes to cycling intrigues like this they are rarely wrong.
 
rhubroma said:
No, it is a story, as far as Nibali is concerned. In the follow up report in la Gazzetta dello Sport today, we read that whatever the outcome of the Tour the damage done has been apparently irreparable. Wait to see on that, but Nibali's orgoglio (pride) was hurt and he and Astana, barring extraordinary circumstances, will be parting their ways at the end of the season.

He's signed through 2016, what are they gonna do about it? They can void it like it's a glass of water?

As said before, Gazzetta is well known in Italy to look for scoops and make issues bigger than they are. I don't doubt Nibbles is feeling ****ed right now, but that doesn't mean he's riding for somebody else next year. Don't trust Gazzetta, they're full of ****.
 
SafeBet said:
He's signed through 2016, what are they gonna do about it? They can void it like it's a glass of water?

As said before, Gazzetta is well known in Italy to look for scoops and make issues bigger than they are. I don't doubt Nibbles is feeling ****ed right now, but that doesn't mean he's riding for somebody else next year. Don't trust Gazzetta, they're full of ****.

The contractual matters will be up to the lawyers. I fully realize that the Italian daily has a penchant for melodrama, as does Italian journalism in general, at the same time it also has a track record of adumbrating delicate or sensational matters in cycling that can't be denied.

It is clear that there is great tension between Nibali and Vinokourov at the moment. Whether that will difinitively result in their divorce remains to be scene, though not for this are these reports just full of sh!t.

Wait and see.
 
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rhubroma said:
No, it is a story, as far as Nibali is concerned. In the follow up report in la Gazzetta dello Sport today, we read that whatever the outcome of the Tour the damage done has been apparently irreparable. Wait to see on that, but Nibali's orgoglio (pride) was hurt and he and Astana, barring extraordinary circumstances, will be parting their ways at the end of the season.

The la Gazzetta article indeed mentioned Carera's (the Sicilian's agent) downplaying position, though that can hardly be taken verbatim, and reported that the whole team has not been satisfactory to the Kazakh oligarchs. And this is the problem, the scolding has come from the State through the surrogate Vinokourov.

I realize that the Italian daily is reporting with a certain bias, though when it comes to cycling intrigues like this they are rarely wrong.

Breaking up a contract over an alleged letter sent to every team member? LMAO. Do you think Nibli is made of glass? NO wonder Gazzetta sells so well in Italy. It has so many faithful readers like you.:D
 
maxmartin said:
Breaking up a contract over an alleged letter sent to every team member? LMAO. Do you think Nibli is made of glass? NO wonder Gazzetta sells so well in Italy. It has so many faithful readers like you.:D

Well if Nibali is riding for another team next year, which I don't know if that will be the case, I'll have the last laugh. It's not just the letter but a building tension that the letter has made explode.

Nibali is Sicilian, so, no, not made of glass, but never attack a Sicilian's pride. They take such matters to the grave.

In any case did you even read the article? Perhaps I should be asking can you read the article? And which, pray tell, are your cycling journalistic sources of infinite reliability?

All I said before was that his situation is not good and that there is bad blood between himself, Martinelli and Vino-Kazakistan oligarchy. Now either la Gazzetta has simply made it up and willfully lied to its readers to sell papers, or that is really the case. I think the latter, however played up to create a drama it may be. If you decline to think so then that's on you. But I find your last remark insulting of my intelligence.
 
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rhubroma said:
Well if Nibali is riding for another team next year, which I don't know if that will be the case, I'll have the last laugh. It's not just the letter but a building tension that the letter has made explode.

Nibali is Sicilian, so, no, not made of glass, but never attack a Sicilian's pride. They take such matters to the grave.

In any case did you even read the article? Perhaps I should be asking can you read the article? And which, pray tell, are your cycling journalistic sources of infinite reliability?

All I said before was that his situation is not good and that there is bad blood between himself, Martinelli and Vino-Kazakistan oligarchy. Now either la Gazzetta has simply made it up and willfully lied to its readers to sell papers, or that is really the case. I think the latter, however played up to create a drama it may be. If you decline to think so then that's on you. But I find your last remark insulting of my intelligence.

newspaper want to sell, of course they want to glorify every little detail. And this particular Italian paper does not really have a reputation of reliability as many other forum members have already pointed out. You are entitled to have your opinion about this situation, but I and many other members will just have to agree to disagree.:D:)

P.S.( I am sorry if you feel I am insulting your intelligence, but I can assure you that is not my intention.)
 
maxmartin said:
newspaper want to sell, of course they want to glorify every little detail. And this particular Italian paper does not really have a reputation of reliability as many other forum members have already pointed out. You are entitled to have your opinion about this situation, but I and many other members will just have to agree to disagree.:D:)

P.S.( I am sorry if you feel I am insulting your intelligence, but I can assure you that is not my intention.)

Once again did you, or can you read the damn article?

PS. Doesn't have a particular reliability as other members on this Anglo-forum have attested? Oh, so they have been reading it for years and thus have the means to make a valid critique? Show me the commentary.

Look I'm not so disingenuous as to believe verbatim everything I read in the dailies, including la Gazzetta. Hardly, but as far as cycling goes there have been many instances when the Italian sports newspaper acurately reported stories before anybody else was discussing them, as regards doping and riders and doctors, for which I must give it credit.
 
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Smile for the Dauphine:D

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whether we believe or not, Astana is known to be a team that hard to live with. Kreuziger was criticized publicaly during the Giro because of his result, he ended up signing with TS and now he is happy, and he produced. Contador said the right thing to Vino after his TDF win, and ended up signing with Bjarne. That's just show how what looked like Contador was happy, turned out to be the opposite.

Now Nibali. He has been behind with his form all season and the last thing he needs is the backstabbing from his own team. This is just show how Astana appreciates his GT leader. Whether this is just some gossip to sell the papers or not, Astana team isn't really a team who can let their high paid riders to not perform. I'm not surprise if Nibali is looking for leaving Astana after this season. But the damage is done, he needs a support from their team not a distraction. I feel sorry for him to be quite honest. He was frustrated with his form after Romandie and admitted that he was behind. Sure, what he needed was a support from his team, not this. You can believe the rumors or not, but I'm not surprise if he leaves Astana before his contract at 2016. The questions is which team that has more dough to buy out his contract? There's only 2 teams that has that kind of money. Tinkoff Saxo and Sky, maybe BMC.
 
Jelantik said:
whether we believe or not, Astana is known to be a team that hard to live with. Kreuziger was criticized publicaly during the Giro because of his result, he ended up signing with TS and now he is happy, and he produced. Contador said the right thing to Vino after his TDF win, and ended up signing with Bjarne. That's just show how what looked like Contador was happy, turned out to be the opposite.

Now Nibali. He has been behind with his form all season and the last thing he needs is the backstabbing from his own team. This is just show how Astana appreciates his GT leader. Whether this is just some gossip to sell the papers or not, Astana team isn't really a team who can let their high paid riders to not perform. I'm not surprise if Nibali is looking for leaving Astana after this season. But the damage is done, he needs a support from their team not a distraction. I feel sorry for him to be quite honest. He was frustrated with his form after Romandie and admitted that he was behind. Sure, what he needed was a support from his team, not this. You can believe the rumors or not, but I'm not surprise if he leaves Astana before his contract at 2016. The questions is which team that has more dough to buy out his contract? There's only 2 teams that has that kind of money. Tinkoff Saxo and Sky, maybe BMC.

Exactly. The gossip is there and it sells, but not for that is the news less worthy. And you intuited well, because Sky wanted him several years ago, although not now, whereas Tinkoff with Contador not likely, but BMC and especially Trek are likely should the separation happen.
 
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Now Nibali. He has been behind with his form all season and the last thing he needs is the backstabbing from his own team. This is just show how Astana appreciates his GT leader. Whether this is just some gossip to sell the papers or not, Astana team isn't really a team who can let their high paid riders to not perform. I'm not surprise if Nibali is looking for leaving Astana after this season. But the damage is done, he needs a support from their team not a distraction. I feel sorry for him to be quite honest. He was frustrated with his form after Romandie and admitted that he was behind. Sure, what he needed was a support from his team, not this. You can believe the rumors or not, but I'm not surprise if he leaves Astana before his contract at 2016. The questions is which team that has more dough to buy out his contract? There's only 2 teams that has that kind of money. Tinkoff Saxo and Sky, maybe BMC.

I know you will jump out to cherish every opportunity to dish Nibali. You should focus on your precious AC. :p
Kreuziger's objective is Giro and he failed miserably. Nibali's objective is Tour, and it has not even stated. So it was totally different situations. Sure if Nibali failed miserably in the Tour, it is possible both sides of the Astana want to rescind the contract. But before Tour even starts, everything is just smog.

And sometimes it is team boss job to motivate the team members. I am very interested to see what will Oleg Tinkov say to AC if he could not win the Tour this year. LOL
 
maxmartin said:
I know you will jump out to cherish every opportunity to dish Nibali. You should focus on your precious AC. :p
Kreuziger's objective is Giro and he failed miserably. Nibali's objective is Tour, and it has not even stated. So it was totally different situations. Sure if Nibali failed miserably in the Tour, it is possible both sides of the Astana want to rescind the contract. But before Tour even starts, everything is just smog.

And sometimes it is team boss job to motivate the team members. I am very interested to see what will Oleg Tinkov say to AC if he could not win the Tour this year. LOL

Though the "smog" adumbrates a plausible outcome.

I say this: if Nibali does not podium in this Tour, a divorce is inevitable.

On the Tinkov account: where does he go fish in that case?
 
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rhubroma said:
Though the "smog" adumbrates a plausible outcome.

I say this: if Nibali does not podium in this Tour, a divorce is inevitable.

On the Tinkov account: where does he go fish in that case?

he podiumed a year ago, this time he is in it for winning it!:eek::D
 
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maxmartin said:
he podiumed a year ago, this time he is in it for winning it!:eek::D

seriously this.2nd or 3rd place is not a goal,maybe podium + stage but I dont think so_Only win counts for him and he needs to race with this in his mind (not stupid podium tactics like Evans or others)
 
rhubroma said:
Of course he's in for the win. I just don't think, bar rare circmstances, against Froome or Contador that's possible.
At this time of the season, these guys are always in the win, however they do take into consideration how much juice they have to leave on the road to get that win, and with back to back GT in the horizons , each of the them make some choice. I am sure that sometimes , the win is secondary to showing or hiding the strength they are capable off. I can see Contador settling for a lesser final placing, if he gets opportunities to successfully test his opponents.
 
ILovecycling said:
seriously this.2nd or 3rd place is not a goal,maybe podium + stage but I dont think so_Only win counts for him and he needs to race with this in his mind (not stupid podium tactics like Evans or others)

Nonsense. Most riders would protect a podium position especially as in last year's Giro when they had little chance of beating the leader of the race. Top 10 for a GC rider is no big deal but a podium is something to aim for. Of course Nibali will go for the win in the Tour but he is not stupid enough to throw away a podium finish if he is in third place with a few stages to go with some stupid attack. It all depends on how he views the opposition. If he thinks they are showing signs of weakness well that's another matter. In this year's Giro Uran never tried anything against Quintana as he knew that at that point of the race Quintana was by far the strongest. Not worth the risk.
 
Dedelou said:
At this time of the season, these guys are always in the win, however they do take into consideration how much juice they have to leave on the road to get that win, and with back to back GT in the horizons , each of the them make some choice. I am sure that sometimes , the win is secondary to showing or hiding the strength they are capable off. I can see Contador settling for a lesser final placing, if he gets opportunities to successfully test his opponents.

If I understand you correctly Nibali will ride to win the Tour, but calculate for the podium.

Well, in any case, he needs to show good form in this Dauphine. He needs to be in the fight, otherwise his confidence going into the Tour and the pressure placed on him by Vino will not be good omens.
 
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Nonsense. Most riders would protect a podium position especially as in last year's Giro when they had little chance of beating the leader of the race. Top 10 for a GC rider is no big deal but a podium is something to aim for. Of course Nibali will go for the win in the Tour but he is not stupid enough to throw away a podium finish if he is in third place with a few stages to go with some stupid attack. It all depends on how he views the opposition. If he thinks they are showing signs of weakness well that's another matter. In this year's Giro Uran never tried anything against Quintana as he knew that at that point of the race Quintana was by far the strongest. Not worth the risk.

You dont know -personally- any russians(or kazakhs), do you?
 
IndianCyclist said:
Nibali will podium but just not on the top 2 places though not thru a lack of effort. To win he needs Pereiro's Luck

Pereiro's luck will be hard to duplicate. The time when every DS and GC rider goes to sleep while giving a top 10 rider a 20 minute gift. Although Arroyo in the 2010 Giro who was part of the crazy breakaway in bad weather also was a beneficiary but that one was different with a big bunch of riders and the weather causing confusion.