Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Pippo_San]

After today I'm fully convinced he needs a different preparation and race calendar for next year.

Vino has work to do.

For sure he kinda lost himself after the Tour...I'd say Liquigas didn't really care anymore.

 

[Forunculo]

He wanted Vuelta and had to go USA races

 

[Parrulo]

For sure he kinda lost himself after the Tour...I'd say Liquigas didn't really care anymore.

it actually started after LBL, he wanted to rest but dale forced him to go to the ToC that's why he got to the dauphine in such a bad shape, because he had to do his rest after the ToC instead of after LBL. after the tour dale forced him to go the USPCC instead of doing the vuelta like he wanted.

to be honest he did the right thing leaving liquigas, because cannondale's sponsor demands ruined his season.

 

[The Hitch]

Nibali wanted to do Vuelta? Damn could have been even better with him there. But if that is true then this guy truly loves cycling.I cant think of many riders with that kind of passion and cerainly not many at the top.

 

[Gloin22]

it actually started after LBL, he wanted to rest but dale forced him to go to the ToC that's why he got to the dauphine in such a bad shape, because he had to do his rest after the ToC instead of after LBL. after the tour dale forced him to go the USPCC instead of doing the vuelta like he wanted.

to be honest he did the right thing leaving liquigas, because cannondale's sponsor demands ruined his season.

Source for this please ?

 

[SafeBet]

Nibali wanted to do Vuelta? Damn could have been even better with him there. But if that is true then this guy truly loves cycling.I cant think of many riders with that kind of passion and cerainly not many at the top.

I think it's more about doing the right prep for the races you want to win than about passion honestly.

 

[Parrulo]

Nibali wanted to do Vuelta? Damn could have been even better with him there. But if that is true then this guy truly loves cycling.I cant think of many riders with that kind of passion and cerainly not many at the top.

he wanted to race it for stage wins like gilbert did because that's the best preparation for the worlds.

instead he was stuck with USPCC and a small race in Italy which is completely different.

also gloin my mod powers allow me to see deleted posts

anyway it was very well documented nibali's frustration towards cannondale for not allowing him to choose his race schedule

 

[maxmartin]

Interesting Giro route, with such long ITT, we might see JR focus on Tour and BW attend Giro. Nibali might have to face BW again in such a short time, although I think the chance of that happening is very slim. Let's wait and see the parcourse of the Tour.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-says-giro-could-be-a-good-choice-for-wiggins

 

[cineteq]

There is hope.

“Maybe I [Fuglsang] will be for the Tour, and Nibali the Giro and Vuelta. We still have to see after the parcours is out,” he said. “Nibali did well to finish third in the Tour; I also understand if he wants to do the Tour again.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/fuglsang-calls-leopard-shack-merger-a-disaster_240495

 

[gustienordic]

There is hope.

“Maybe I [Fuglsang] will be for the Tour, and Nibali the Giro and Vuelta. We still have to see after the parcours is out,” he said. “Nibali did well to finish third in the Tour; I also understand if he wants to do the Tour again.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/fuglsang-calls-leopard-shack-merger-a-disaster_240495

I think the Giro 2013 would suit him better though. I am very interested to see what happens to him at Astana...

 

[Netserk]

There is hope.

“Maybe I [Fuglsang] will be for the Tour, and Nibali the Giro and Vuelta. We still have to see after the parcours is out,” he said. “Nibali did well to finish third in the Tour; I also understand if he wants to do the Tour again.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/fuglsang-calls-leopard-shack-merger-a-disaster_240495

So the Avatar bet is on?

 

[cineteq]

So the Avatar bet is on?

Geez, you're like a dog that never let go. I will do it if Nibali still says he's undecided on his program for next year's schedule after the unveiling the parcours of 2013 Tour, deal?

 

[The Hitch]

It speaks english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf5w-wm_na0

 

[cineteq]

So the Avatar bet is on?

Well, well, well...it seems they're listening.

"Astana was initially thinking about taking Nibali to win the Giro, but the plan may be changing. The Kazakh team may have him skip the race all together for a chance at winning the Tour."

"He left the Tour with the knowledge that he can play for any stage race [win] in the future without fearing his rivals,” long-time trainer, Paolo Slongo told VeloNews. He won’t start the next year saying, 'I hope to be up with the favorites'. No. He will start as a favorite."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/vincenzo-nibali-deciding-between-giro-and-tour_240549

One thing seems for sure, he won't do both, Giro and Tour.

 

[ILovecycling]

Please Vincenzo,do a Giro for win.You have a podium from Tour and win is not really possible next years Tour

 

[Netserk]

Well, well, well...it seems they're listening.

"Astana was initially thinking about taking Nibali to win the Giro, but the plan may be changing. The Kazakh team may have him skip the race all together for a chance at winning the Tour."

"He left the Tour with the knowledge that he can play for any stage race [win] in the future without fearing his rivals,” long-time trainer, Paolo Slongo told VeloNews. He won’t start the next year saying, 'I hope to be up with the favorites'. No. He will start as a favorite."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/vincenzo-nibali-deciding-between-giro-and-tour_240549

One thing seems for sure, he won't do both, Giro and Tour.

The offer won't be open forever, so if you don't hurry I'll might regret

 

[cineteq]

The offer won't be open forever, so if you don't hurry I'll might regret

So remind me the terms again?

ps: how would like to wear an A. Schleck avatar?

 

[Parrulo]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12987/Francesco-Moser-says-Nibali-and-Wiggins-are-not-yet-champions.aspx#ixzz28EjytQH4

pops moser heavily criticizes nibali.

well despite being indeed overpaid and not a big winner (yet, we never know what can happen on the next few years as he still only 27) he at least didn't need a choppers help to win his GT

 

[SafeBet]

I read the interview in italian and I concur with almost everything he says.
I don't think Nibali has the legs of a champion. He has the heart of a champion though.

 

[hfer07]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12987/Francesco-Moser-says-Nibali-and-Wiggins-are-not-yet-champions.aspx#ixzz28EjytQH4

pops moser heavily criticizes nibali.

well despite being indeed overpaid and not a big winner (yet, we never know what can happen on the next few years as he still only 27) he at least didn't need a choppers help to win his GT

So Moser prefers to call Wiggo "a champion" instead of Nibali, even knowing he had already a GT in his palmares prior to the Brit? I mean-the definition of champion seems to me nowadays a rider "willing to use any means to win at all cost"- If so then I'd agree with Moser on that-but to downgrade Nibbs in that fashion is rather naive....

 

[Carols]

Well I've always said that Nibali wasn't quite top shelf; but he is still young and makes up for his slight lack of genetics with Heart and Guts! Go Shark!

 

[webvan]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12987/Francesco-Moser-says-Nibali-and-Wiggins-are-not-yet-champions.aspx#ixzz28EjytQH4

pops moser heavily criticizes nibali.

well despite being indeed overpaid and not a big winner (yet, we never know what can happen on the next few years as he still only 27) he at least didn't need a choppers help to win his GT

Yeah Moser's got some nerves, stolen Giro, "prepared" hour, etc...and what is he on, no champions these days, Gilbert, Cancellara and Boonen, hello? Having said that he's got a point about Nibali, decent all-rounder but not TDF winner material.

 

[SafeBet]

So Moser prefers to call Wiggo "a champion" instead of Nibali, even knowing he had already a GT in his palmares prior to the Brit? I mean-the definition of champion seems to me nowadays a rider "willing to use any means to win at all cost"- If so then I'd agree with Moser on that-but to downgrade Nibbs in that fashion is rather naive....

Dunno where you got this, but Moser never said Wiggo is a champion.
Translation is misleading in some points.

 

[Parrulo]

Yeah Moser's got some nerves, stolen Giro, "prepared" hour, etc...and what is he on, no champions these days, Gilbert, Cancellara and Boonen, hello? Having said that he's got a point about Nibali, decent all-rounder but not TDF winner material.

after this year's TdF i don't think the standard for TdF winning material is so high anymore. Or was wiggins TdF winning material before he actually won it?

 

[airstream]

Nibali has to improve vastly to be considered a real shark. So far his nickname sounds like a jest cos he is a baby shark in really big games. Though I like his determination and willingness to gain time in any situation. that was so funny to know his nickname a few years ago. 'dammn, he is just a lamb, not a shark!' - I thought