Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[Cimber]

As has been pointed out - a guaranteed 100k in your pocket for placing second is a good deal if you are unsure of being able to beat Vino.
Imagine what an idiot you would feel if you turned down the money and still got beaten (that podium photo for one would be very different).

However if u do win u can really cash in big time when its time to negotiate contract again. And Kolebnev is not a slow rider on the finish line IIRC.

Now if he really wanted to be sneaky he could make the deal with Vino but still go for the win. If he lose he would cash in still (just tell Vino u merely tried to make it look genuine), if u win u cash in big time, and Vino cant really say anything to the public. Ofc the downside if u will have a whole Astana team after u the rest of your career and u can never to to Kazhakstan

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

as always the winner pays the loser for simply cooperating with him in break. this is common knowledge amongst (former) cyclists and ducrot has so often said this on dutch tv. this happens every race. it would just be better if vino simply said that's why he paid him that amount. also you don't really believe kolobnev sells a win for 100.000 dollars. he makes a million a year at katyusha at least.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nice call

i suspect vino and kolobnev had agreed before the race to help each other.

Nice call.

Indeed watching the youtube video again - Kolobnev didn't look too tired in the final kms - so he could have been bought by deal done in Russian on the bike.


Email is inherently unreliable - especially when not archived within a single corporation - so I'd not expect any such evidence to hold up before the authorities.

More likely this is a RusMaffiasmear campaign against Vino's political ambitions.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

However if u do win u can really cash in big time when its time to negotiate contract again. And Kolebnev is not a slow rider on the finish line IIRC.

Now if he really wanted to be sneaky he could make the deal with Vino but still go for the win. If he lose he would cash in still (just tell Vino u merely tried to make it look genuine), if u win u cash in big time, and Vino cant really say anything to the public. Ofc the downside if u will have a whole Astana team after u the rest of your career and u can never to to Kazhakstan

Ha, to the highlighted, I like your thinking.

I think you over estimate what a rider could earn from a contract for the win. Kolobnev is already well known as a rider with serious potential for certain classics, and if the reports that he earns 500k to 750k is accurate that is about what the value is.
100k in your pocket would be a tempting offer.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

what is this?!?!?!?!? Switzerland is the land of judas and satan himself

 

[will10]

Rewatched the last 10 kms of the race again and it does seem like Kolobnev is taking a bit more relays than he should. Does anyone remember the kilometres before that though?

Perhaps they could have stayed away though because Valverde was not really helping and Gilbert obviously did not want to ride too much for him either.

Kolobnev has always been renowned for pulling too much in the big races, look at the Olympics and Worlds races etc. He often seems to burn one too many matches...

 

[pastronef]

My only comfort is that you won and not one of the natives (Belgian riders, ed.)

I like this, I'm not kidding

 

[Cimber]

Ha, to the highlighted, I like your thinking.

I think you over estimate what a rider could earn from a contract for the win. Kolobnev is already well known as a rider with serious potential for certain classics, and if the reports that he earns 500k to 750k is accurate that is about what the value is.
100k in your pocket would be a tempting offer.

I could see it from the POV of a domestique who all of a sudden was in the finale with a big star. But if u are aldry a semi-star with a quiet a good wage I see no reason to need to lose a race like LBL for 100k. I mean if he earned what u say it would only equal about 2 month's wages. I mean the prestige of winnig LBL alone would surely be worth more than 100k. Unless he has some debt or somthing else we dont know about.

 

[bobbins]

Didn't Dirk De Wolfs victory have similar rumours around it?

 

[ramjambunath]

The greed for money has nothing to do with quality of sportsman and quantity of wages. I'm not saying Kolobnev or Vino have fixed the race but having seen match fixing in other sports that I follow, it is quite shocking that some of the richest and best sportsmen have been caught for fixing.

Also, it's definitely tempting for a man earning 500k-750k to earn upto 20% of his income to throw a race. I cite Cronje again, as he's one of the few great players in sport to be caught for fixing. He was ready to fix situations in matches for as low as $10k and also threw away matches for South Africa for around $100k.

Of course, this could be a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[El Pistolero]

You are giving out about assumptions, yet you assume Vino's account was hacked. Why is it Vino assumes it's his account, why not Kolobnevs? And why no other juicy gossip from this hacked account?


It seems far more logical that these emails came from those with access - perhaps Kolobnev did not get what was agreed.
With his case recently being appealed to CAS it may be that he needs every cent including some outstanding debts.
Its also notable that Kolobnev did not comment when contacted by the Swiss magazine.

Vinokourov stated in the media that his E-mail account was hacked before this news even reached us.

 

[Anonymous]

That said, what is a win in L-B-L worth for negotiating your next contract?

but vino negotiates his own contract with himself pretty much anyway.

 

[gilbertador]

If LBL is 100k
I will have a merck like record from 32 to 35 when i take a 3 yr sebbatical from investment banking! 100k a monument 500k a grand tour lets get on it!

 

[Cloxxki]

I would gladly take 20% of my salary, and that's a lower amount than his.
Sports are about proving to myself what I can do, not to others. I would pull so hard that Vino would be hurting, and only let him win in the last second.

Perhaps Vino's powers are so great that he also promised to do a good word for Kolobnev with a certain someone. The 100k is just a tip. A gift that turns a loan when it's brought out into the open somehow, or Vino doesn't live up to promise otherwise.
For Vino, the win is worth more in terms of negotiations. It's only logical he'd be the one to take it. Heck, Vino might even have money on himself at the bookies, and need it that bit much more. A pre-race deal when the odds are favorable would surely be worth making.
How deep into a race can you still put in a bet at the bookie? Long live ear pieces.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Vinokourov stated in the media that his E-mail account was hacked before this news even reached us.

Ya - "before this news even reached us" - but probably after Vino had been asked to comment by the Swiss mag. Its called a pre-emptive strike.

When I heard Vino complain about being "hacked" my first thought was "what going to come out about Vino"?

 

[Cloxxki]

Ya - "before this news even reached us" - but probably after Vino had been asked to comment by the Swiss mag. Its called a pre-emptive strike.

When I heard Vino complain about being "hacked" my first thought was "what going to come out about Vino"?

Could it be this was actually the worst they could find in his email? A bit disappointing, you might think. Vino would know.

 

[greatking88]

In the Vuelta 2009, Kreuziger offered Deignan money for the stage win..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6NhBJnoHa0

Happens just after the 1minute mark!!

I'm pretty sure these offers and deals are done often in pro cycling..

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Give that man a RadioShack jersey.

 

[Kwibus]

I would gladly take 20% of my salary, and that's a lower amount than his.
Sports are about proving to myself what I can do, not to others. I would pull so hard that Vino would be hurting, and only let him win in the last second.

Perhaps Vino's powers are so great that he also promised to do a good word for Kolobnev with a certain someone. The 100k is just a tip. A gift that turns a loan when it's brought out into the open somehow, or Vino doesn't live up to promise otherwise.
For Vino, the win is worth more in terms of negotiations. It's only logical he'd be the one to take it. Heck, Vino might even have money on himself at the bookies, and need it that bit much more. A pre-race deal when the odds are favorable would surely be worth making.
How deep into a race can you still put in a bet at the bookie? Long live ear pieces.

I can never understand people think like this. Personally I've never ever cheated in any sport, game that was played seriously. Actually I will never cheat in a game or sport for fun, unless others are obviously doing it.

Obiously not everyone is the same, but I would've never given away the win for 100k if I earned 500-600k a year. I doubt I would've done it for 1 million, but ofcourse I can't say I'm 100% convinced I wouldn't since I've never been in such a tempting situation.

Anyways I'm not sure what to think about this. Vino and Kolobnev both rode really hard and both have always done so when they were in breaks so there is nothing odd to it. The chasers weren't very organised with Valverde slacking so the others were afraid to work hard as that would give away the win to Valverde.

I'm convinced Kolobnev and Vino would've stayed away with or without the bribe. Just a shame the nr.2 didn't really try to win...
If the evidence is solid both should be banned and taken away their result though.

 

[Kwibus]

In the Vuelta 2009, Kreuziger offered Deignan money for the stage win..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6NhBJnoHa0

Happens just after the 1minute mark!!

I'm pretty sure these offers and deals are done often in pro cycling..

Certainly, there has to be solid proof though. I can't see this clip at work, but I'm sure you can't hear him talk and only see his gestures?

 

[Jamsque]

It's happened before, but that's no excuse. It's incredibly disrespectful to what is supposed to be one of the greatest races in the sport. Kolobnev should be ashamed, Vino doubly so.

 

[Cloxxki]

What if this 100k deal was just a cover up for something far worse?
One can easily think what bad things Vino might need to excuse himself for.
If they're both feeling strong, they could sell ther race and keep that as a motive to transfer this amount of cash.
A few BS words in a referring email, and all tracks are covered. The silly press then goes like it's such a scandal to sell a race.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Certainly, there has to be solid proof though. I can't see this clip at work, but I'm sure you can't hear him talk and only see his gestures?

From Deignans website.

He turned to me with three kilometre to go as said “How much ?”. I just shook my head and said no there was no way I was going to consider giving away a stage no matter how much he was willing to pay me and there was no more talking about it. That was it.

It would have been earlier than in the video link shown, but it still happened.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Are they pretty tight prior to this race, and does Kolobnev have a history of debts or financial troubles? The reason I ask is because what if Vino didn't bribe him? Maybe he offered a loan to Kolobnev to help him out of a sticky personal situation, and Vino just happened to win after a Kolobnev bonk. Kolobnev's email suggests gratitude and admiration consistent with such a gesture; Vino also responded by telling him not to worry. But maybe this is just an indication of my overly optimistic view of competition and human nature.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Yeah, the glass isn't half full with you, it veritably overflowith.