You have little insight into tactics if you think Voeckler and Hoogerland are similar... Hoogerland always works, never wins. Voeckler never works, always wins.Benotti69 said:
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I find his grimacing a bit irritating, but I can get past that.
I think he's great for cycling. It's not amateur racing either. Sure, if you were in your club race and some guy kept sucking wheels and grabbing 'undeserved' wins, you'd be pretty annoyed. But these are the big boys. He helps make the racing happen. It's not like the rest in a breakaway don't know his modus operandi. If you can't drop him, and you can't double bluff him and have the gamblers/racers instinct to bet on whether the bunch is going to catch you or not and maybe you should sit on the back of a breakaway a bit more too, then boo hoo. And anyway, it's not like this is his sole method for taking wins.
Plus as others have pointed out, he should be commended for his loyalty to his team that nearly fell apart.
I think he's great for cycling. It's not amateur racing either. Sure, if you were in your club race and some guy kept sucking wheels and grabbing 'undeserved' wins, you'd be pretty annoyed. But these are the big boys. He helps make the racing happen. It's not like the rest in a breakaway don't know his modus operandi. If you can't drop him, and you can't double bluff him and have the gamblers/racers instinct to bet on whether the bunch is going to catch you or not and maybe you should sit on the back of a breakaway a bit more too, then boo hoo. And anyway, it's not like this is his sole method for taking wins.
Plus as others have pointed out, he should be commended for his loyalty to his team that nearly fell apart.
theyoungest said:
So that's where Johnny is going wrong.
Some would would say it is all about winning.
Tactics are about winning and Voeckler had a successful season last year.
I might retort that you don't understand the purpose of racing
but i won't 
Haha, "allegedly"?Benotti69 said:
To the bolded part: no, it happens when he's hanging out at the back.
hrotha said:
Mostly see the back of the riders of those hanging out the back. But maybe we should start a 'Faces Voeckler makes in a race' thread.
If that is all people don't like about him, not much to worry them is there then.
I for one am glad that there are Voecklers and Hoogerlands, because they make racing interesting compared to the cold calculating more or less rest of the peloton. I like the mavericks and there used to be more of them. So when they do come along let's celebrate them. No one's perfect, well except allegedly the Dutch, Contador and some Texan :rollseyes:
If you honestly have never noticed his grimacing, you haven't been paying attention. Simple as.Benotti69 said:
And hey, I don't hate him and I don't want him gone. I like the way he races. But it's impossible to like everybody, and Voeckler does things that make many people have a poor opinion of his personality - this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with his racing. Sure, some people will dislike him because of his racing style, but I don't expect them to be a majority outside of the peloton.
virandociclista said:
and nobody asked him to be one-his attitude was simply to "accelerate" rather than slow down -at least for decency- to check what happened- then he well could have resumed riding- that's the whole point.
It's kind of estrange to discuss this- since I really like him- and perhaps I didn't quite understand why he was booed in Alpe d'Huez at all- Then LuLu came up with the whole version of what took place & that's when the truth was unveiled.
I know some folks have hard time understanding that in a race crashes happen all the time & nobody waits for sh!t (unless you're A Scheck & Cancellara)-but since this particular one was out of the ordinary -it should have been prudent to react properly to it-instead of turning a blind eye and kept going like he did.
Well, 10/10 riders don't like the Schlecks, so he shouldn't worry too much. At least he's not last
Just strikes me as selfish, win at all costs kind of guy. Much like the sprinter who takes a line and says either you get out of the way or we both crash. He says to breakaway companions either you pull me to the line or we go back to the peloton.
Hoogerland being taken out, just seemed the same. I don't think he should have waited, I don't think he attacked, just kept going. He had a stage win and yellow jersey to fight for if he stopped and waited all he had to gain was being considered a good guy. That's the thing, he doesn't care about being a good guy, and won't make too many friends with that approach.
Hoogerland being taken out, just seemed the same. I don't think he should have waited, I don't think he attacked, just kept going. He had a stage win and yellow jersey to fight for if he stopped and waited all he had to gain was being considered a good guy. That's the thing, he doesn't care about being a good guy, and won't make too many friends with that approach.
Bavarianrider said:Well, 10/10 riders don't like the Schlecks, so he shouldn't worry too much. At least he's not last
LOL - you just made my day- that was clever!!!
http://inrng.com/2011/07/popularity-the-peloton-vs-the-public/
Pretty much sums up what a lot of posters have been saying.
I love Tommy V, one of my favourite riders. I've been a fan ever since his 10 days in yellow in 2004.
Pretty much sums up what a lot of posters have been saying.
I love Tommy V, one of my favourite riders. I've been a fan ever since his 10 days in yellow in 2004.
sorry to burst your bubble, but i know plenty of people (public) who cant stand voekler. i dont like him either.
bassplayer88 said:Ahh I see your point, in the unwritten gentlemans guide to the peloton one is meant to wait for riders mowed down by TV cars in any given break. Its been a standard since 1904 I believe....
Flecha is not much of a fan either
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/flecha-the-driver-didnt-even-stop
hfer07 said:
He did not win it at their expense. he won it in spite of them. One assumes he would have got a few more seconds if they were there to help.
Flecha often seems to be a bit p*ssy. What an odd way to direct your anger after being hit by a car.Trev_S said:
2011 Tour TV
On what stages was TV's riding most heroic during the 2011 TdF? I wanna hit up cyclingtorrents.nl but don't plan to download the entire Tour.
On what stages was TV's riding most heroic during the 2011 TdF? I wanna hit up cyclingtorrents.nl but don't plan to download the entire Tour.
airstream
BANNED
hehe weird no one remembers tommy's words about how cool without basso and ulle in le tour. by the way voeckler himself dropped on the climbs earlier than most of sprinters then
joe_papp said:
Stages 12 seemed heroic at the time, but got even better in 14 and ends up dropping Contador in 18.
Perhaps even more impressive in the early stages of 19 though its a sad ending.
The Hitch said:
Depends if it was "sad"
. Personally I was glad the show was over, no more acting tired, acting when a camera was present, no more being oh so surprised he hung on. I was extremely glad he finally broke, I was ****ed off when the show continued after all, started throwing bottles & whistling at his teammates like they were mere unimportant people, but who worked there *ss off for his yellow jersey..
El Pistolero said:
Paris Nice 2011, stage 4, Whilst i agree Degendt works, Voeckler definitely wasn't slacking in that break, of course Degendt was riding for the jersey and Voeckler the stage, so they had different motivations and perhaps an agreement as Degendt kept pulling all the way to the line.
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