Also, what's with disliking all his facial antics? Another popular rider happens to do that a lot too, Jens Voight... It's a strange thing to be obsess over.
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function said:Also, what's with disliking all his facial antics? Another popular rider happens to do that a lot too, Jens Voight... It's a strange thing to be obsess over.
El Pistolero said:Voeckler is an arrogant (...). That's why people hate him.[/QUOTE
he goes and they wanna go slow. i'll get them a tissue...
Havetts said:Never stops working in the break and then escapes afterwards..
hfer07 said:That's the principal reason he's been despised lately-Some in the peloton found it hard to believe that he just kept going after the horrific incident involving Johnny & Juan Antonio- LuLu at least made the gesture to slow down, but DiDi just didn't care at all.... then he kind of praised his yellow jersey achievement at the expense of the misfortune of those two -which enrage the Dutch crowd-and nonetheless the arrogance & Ego plays a part of the disliking attitude among his fellow riders..
Since you don't read, I'm going to say it again: it's a perfectly legitimate tactic in road racing. But it won't make you popular among your colleagues.Benotti69 said:So that's where Johnny is going wrong.
Some would would say it is all about winning.
Tactics are about winning and Voeckler had a successful season last year.
I might retort that you don't understand the purpose of racing but i won't
Boeing said:no giving a Shi# and not knowing are two totally different things
spalco said:The way I remember, he didn't just keep going, he in fact accelerated and tried to get away from his remaining "companions", which really did look disrespectful to the victims of the crash.
I like Voeckler as a rider (not sure about him as a person), but I can completely understand why most other pro cyclists hate him.
Angliru said:That's how I remember it also. He was out of the saddle accelerating away, taking the misfortune as an opportunity.
Geraint Too Fast said:Or, he was simply getting back on top of his gear after almost being knocked of his bike...
theyoungest said:Since you don't read, I'm going to say it again: it's a perfectly legitimate tactic in road racing. But it won't make you popular among your colleagues.
How would you feel, if someone sat on your wheel the whole time, grimacing like he'll have to let go any minute, and then attacks in the final kilometres?
El Pistolero said:Voeckler is an arrogant (...). That's why people hate him.
Benotti69 said:The French have been accused to have been arrogant! Is it true? no of course not.
Benotti69 said:Voeckler doesn't race to be popular.
I dont let people wheel suck me
spalco said:But as someone else pointed out, in a breakaway you don't necessarily have that option. Clearly Voeckler is too strong to get rid of easily, and he's sort of exploiting game-theoretic aspects of the group dynamics in a breakaway to his advantage, sort of like "prisoner's dilemma" - do you let Voeckler hang on without doing his share of the work, giving him a better winning probability and more tv exposure than he would "deserve" by the amount of time he spent in the wind or fall back and give up? Not an easy choice when you're riding the Tour de France and your DS is on your back to get your jersey into the cameras. And it's understandable that other riders feel sort of violated by a behaviour like this.
Benotti69 said:Well if your DS is calling the shots then you do as your DS says. If you get caught you get caught, if Voeckler goes on to win what can you do. You followed your DS.
If you are riding using your own brain you play Voeckler at his own game. This can be risky as it can lead to the break getting caught, but Voeckler doesn't want the break to get caught so he has to ride and you watch him closely.
spalco said:But that's the point - most riders in a usual breakaway can't afford "playing the game" like Voeckler. If the break fails, Voeckler doesn't give a ****, he'll just attack again, most other cyclists can't do that. And even if you're just following the DS's orders, you still have some personal ambition too.
Nobody's saying Voeckler's ways aren't legitimate, but it's completely understandable why other riders are ****ed off at him not doing his share of the work while taking more than his share of accolades.
pedaling squares said:I'd forgotten how brutal that crash was. I don't see an attack after, just a guy looking around to see what's up.
No doubt some of the riders are tired of his me-first tactics and attention-grabbing grimaces, but they probably don't mind the benefits of his hero status in France. What's good for TV is good for the sport and everybody associated to it. As for his attacks at unpopular times, I'm all for it. The tour and too many other races are raced according to a script.
Benotti69 said:Most breaks fail!
What can they not afford? They cant afford riders not to work. If one refuses to do the share the break is definitely doomed.
Voeckler happens to be smarter than most riders. Simple.
Voeckler just always does the best he can to win, if he thinks he can attack from the break and have a greater chance of winning than he would have in the break or in the peloton than of course he will do that. For voeckler its all about the win.Libertine Seguros said:Here's a clip of Voeckler being a total bad guy, attacking the péloton solo, bridging across to the break, then attacking it solo almost straight away before building his advantage to the finish.
God what an attention-sucking wheelsucker who just sits on in the break.