Vuelta 2017 stage 12 Motril - Antequera 160,1 km

[hrotha]

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Yesterday was disappointing? Only one who tried to challenge Froome and could stay with him in the end. I agree that his Giro wasn`t great but in the Vuelta he has done everything people could have expected. He will allways lose seconds on the muritos but on the longer climbs he is among the top 3. The race is far from over and he is only 1 minute down.

You're talking about legs, I'm explicitly not talking about legs.

 

[spalco]

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Really curious to know what actually happened to Froome

The way I saw it, he just slipped in the corner. The Katusha car stopped right before the corner, so he had the proper line, but it may have been bothering him a little in his peripheral vision because he couldn't have been sure the car stops.

Still his own mistake imo.

 

[Gigs_98]

Is it possible that the gc leaders didn't work because they didn't want to profit from froome's crash but only tried to keep the gap to contador small? Because otherwise I don't see a reason why they didn't work

 

[Vasilis]

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Really curious to know what actually happened to Froome

According Eurosport NL Froome crashed twice. First what was considered a mechanical on here and second time in amongst the cars.

Yeah, I know that, but the first time I only saw him by the roadside, so I want to know why.

 

[markene2]

Katusha car had *** to do with the crash, he slid out

 

[wouterkaas]

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Froome is ridiculous bike handler, there is a long road to Madrid

Where do you base that on? As far as I know he rides very well and only crashed today due to the strange manoeuvers by the Katusha car.

 

[movingtarget]

Love the work of the Spanish police, unfortunately they missed one idiot.

 

[Eclipse]

It's nice to see an otherwise pointless attack pan out

should give courage to the others that a gamble is worth taking

 

[Climbing]

They pretty much gifted 30 seconds to Froome here.
Unbelievable.

 

[Vasilis]

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Really curious to know what actually happened to Froome

The way I saw it, he just slipped in the corner. The Katusha car stopped right before the corner, so he had the proper line, but it may have been bothering him a little in his peripheral vision because he couldn't have been sure the car stops.

Still his own mistake imo.

That was the second time, when he was probably a little too eager to get back I think.

 

[Arredondo]

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Froome is ridiculous bike handler, there is a long road to Madrid

Where do you base that on? As far as I know he rides very well and only crashed today due to the strange manoeuvers by the Katusha car.

Which strange manoeuvre?

 

[Brullnux]

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So the geniuses found out to work properly in the last kilometre. Could and should have been 30 seconds more, I expected more from the voodoo master in such situation.

The gap was never over 40 seconds, important to note.

Edit: still, disappointing. I'm guessing there was some confusion at first, but they only really started pushing after the 3 to go mark

Exactly. And it was 3 against 20, christ.... so its not unreasonable.

It was more 6 vs 3. Some Astana doms, Katyusha, Pellizotti and Oomen. Occasionally Nibali towards the end. A couple of others at most. Most of that group were dead wood

 

[gmedina]

I can't believe the group was not pushing harder...sigh, they had the numbers, and no one wanted to pull. And Froome, he did what he had to limit his loses. However, imagine if he didn't had that strong of a team, he probably would have lost way more than 20 secs today.

 

[yaco]

Quick Steps were always going to take it easy today because they have Trentin for the sprint finish in stage 13.

 

[wwabbit]

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Katusha car had **** to do with the crash, he slid out

Watch the video again, the Katusha car moved forward just as Froome was taking the corner

 

[Escarabajo]

Meintjes had a good reason to race hard. He needed time on Nieve!

 

[Valv.Piti]

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So the geniuses found out to work properly in the last kilometre. Could and should have been 30 seconds more, I expected more from the voodoo master in such situation.

The gap was never over 40 seconds, important to note.

Edit: still, disappointing. I'm guessing there was some confusion at first, but they only really started pushing after the 3 to go mark

Exactly. And it was 3 against 20, christ.... so its not unreasonable.

It was more 6 vs 3. Some Astana doms, Pellizotti and Oomen. Occasionally Nibali towards the end. A couple of others at most. Most of that group were dead wood

You don't get the point, do you? If they actually was working earlier, say just 10 of them.

 

[movingtarget]

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Katusha car had **** to do with the crash, he slid out

Watch the video again, the Katusha car moved forward just as Froome was taking the corner

Froome seemed to be angry at himself, I don't think the car made him fall.

 

[DFA123]

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Froome is ridiculous bike handler, there is a long road to Madrid

Where do you base that on? As far as I know he rides very well and only crashed today due to the strange manoeuvers by the Katusha car.

Which strange manoeuvre?

This is one of the most bizarre excuses I've seen in a long time. Presumably someone on Eurosport or Twitter mentioned it, because it clearly wasn't responsible for the crash.

 

[Climbing]

K car has nothing to do with it, just panic.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Actually the drivers in the Katusha car did everything in its might to avoid interfering with Froome's line. It braked to give Froome room to pass, when Froome tried to overtake it, coming into the corner.

I have no clue why some people blame the car. The misinformed should watch a replay of the episode, if that is what is needed to overrule their bias.

 

[Brullnux]

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So the geniuses found out to work properly in the last kilometre. Could and should have been 30 seconds more, I expected more from the voodoo master in such situation.

The gap was never over 40 seconds, important to note.

Edit: still, disappointing. I'm guessing there was some confusion at first, but they only really started pushing after the 3 to go mark

Exactly. And it was 3 against 20, christ.... so its not unreasonable.

It was more 6 vs 3. Some Astana doms, Pellizotti and Oomen. Occasionally Nibali towards the end. A couple of others at most. Most of that group were dead wood

You don't get the point, do you? If they actually was working earlier, say just 10 of them.

I do, and I think they should've pushed harder, but a lot of that group had no reason to pull. Some are neither in a race with Contador nor Froome, so why should they go on the front?

 

[wouterkaas]

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Froome is ridiculous bike handler, there is a long road to Madrid

Where do you base that on? As far as I know he rides very well and only crashed today due to the strange manoeuvers by the Katusha car.

Which strange manoeuvre?

That car was too far into that corner for it to be safe, making Froome deviate from his line.

 

[Vasilis]

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Froome is ridiculous bike handler, there is a long road to Madrid

Where do you base that on? As far as I know he rides very well and only crashed today due to the strange manoeuvers by the Katusha car.

Which strange manoeuvre?

This is one of the most bizarre excuses I've seen in a long time. Presumably someone on Eurosport or Twitter mentioned it, because it clearly wasn't responsible for the crash.

That car may have had something to do with the crash, because its mere presence would have influenced Froome's line, but of course they didn't do anything wrong.

 

[PremierAndrew]

The katusha car did block Froome's view a bit and alter his line slightly, but either way, he shouldnt have crashed and he only has himself to blame