Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 11 (Villaviciosa › Alto de La Farrapona. Lagos de Somiedo 170km)

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The Jumbots are ruining the Grand Tours! The UCI has to reduce team sizes!

yet jumbo has won exactly 0 GT this year.
Heck they only won Ain as GC with Roglic?

 

[Mayomaniac]

I understand why Jumbo took it easy today, they mainly had Hofstede and the vineyard boy keep the gap to Soler under contol. The Angliru is super steep and nothing will happen before it, so just pure strength will count. The tried to save energy and keep Kuss save for the Angliru.

 

[klintE]

Enric Mas (Movistar Team): “It was our plan, to have Marc [Soler] at the front so he can try to win the stage and gain some time on GC.

Eventually, Soler didn't win and lost quite a lot of earned time. Playing games with Gaudu.
If they have given up on the idea that their rider will win or take place on the box in this race, that's okay; But I didn't feel it that way before the race (stage).

P.S. I know *** happens, but why always to Movistar?

 

[RedheadDane]

the vineyard boy

Vineyard boy? (I know who you refer to, but never heard that one before.)

 

[johnymax]

yet jumbo has won exactly 0 GT this year.
Heck they only won Ain as GC with Roglic?

He probably didn't mean ruining them by winning them. But ruining them with the tactics they use while riding them.

But people have short memory. Not long ago (yesterday) this Vuelta was considered an exciting race. Now because in a stage where everyone was expecting fireworks, much didn't happen, suddenly the race is boring. Tomorrow when we'll have a great stage to Angliru again the race will be exciting. It will depend though. If Roglič and Carapaz finish s.t., it will probably be considered boring. If Carapaz gains 30s or more, it will be considered exciting.

 

[Koronin]

Haven't read the comments. Nice win for Gaudu. Impressive ride overall for Soler. I'm really thinking Soler is a better stage hunter than GC rider, but that's my opinion on watching him race.

 

[klintE]

The intensity plays a huge role. Roglic tried to win the Tour de l'Ain, the Criterium Dauphine Libere, the Tour de France the World Championship and Liege-Bastogne-Liege and had to produce a lot of excellent efforts. I have a nice database of climbing times (of course it does not contain all climbs, but a lot). One can count how long a rider rode 6W/kg and so on climbs I measured this year:

W/kg	Roglic	Carapaz	Mas	Martin	Carthy
>8	3:38	0	0	2:46	0
>7.5	7:29	0	0	2:46	0
>7	14:58	0	0	2:46	0
>6.5	2:05:36	1:56:34	1:31:16	38:07	1:11:16
>6	4:52:42	3:37:37	6:02:41	1:50:52	3:26:58
>5.5	9:17:17	6:08:29	8:19:03	3:33:58	4:00:48

This means that Roglic rode at least 5.5 W/kg for 9 hours 17 minutes and 17 seconds and so on.
I did not noticed that Mas had a long Season, too. However, Roglic had a lot more high intensity efforts.

Yes, Roglić is the strongest. And he was in the TdF either. Until stage 20.
So I'm all the more sorry that this year there will be no stage 20. in the La Vuelta.

 

[Koronin]

For those not understanding Movistar wanting 3 riders in the top 10, well I posted an article in Spanish on a threat around here somewhere where their DS Lastras says that yes they are racing for Mas, but they have also specifically asked Valverde and Soler to do the best they can to stay as close to Mas as possible in GC. In previous years it was obvious that some of their riders were actually racing against each other and the team was chasing down certain of their riders. That is the one big difference this year. Mas, Valverde, and Soler are racing together, not against each other. The problem is Mas is the best climber of the 3 and his current level is a bit lower than at least Roglic and Carapaz. This year it actually appears they do have an actual overall plan, it's just a matter of they just may not be capable of executing the plan.

 

[Blanco]

I agree - problem is, when you see five Jumbos while you yourself are on your own you probably don't feel like attacking. Roglic and the Jumbos are just the strongest. Movistar tried something today, it looked a bit funny again, but I have to admit, they actually tried. They just have the weaker riders.

They tried to win the stage and to gain time, they almost did both, so hardly looked funny...
And four of the five Jumbo's would drop like a stone if some serious attack came. Roglic didn't feel great, so in my book wasted opportunity for Carapaz mainly, maybe for Martin and Carthy too, although I don't believe in their overall chances much...

 

[Blanco]

I did not noticed that Mas had a long Season, too. However, Roglic had a lot more high intensity efforts.

Yes, but Roglic is also a lot better rider too...

 

[Blanco]

And definitely stage with Cobertoria and San Lorenzo doesn't need a hard MTF after. Finish after San Lorenzo decent would be just fine, or add some much easier hill as a finish.

 

[RedheadDane]

Okay, those twins are just being downright silly now!

131	OLIVEIRA Ivo	UAE-Team Emirates			35:31
132	OLIVEIRA Rui	UAE-Team Emirates			,,

That's the third time. They also did it yesterday, though trying to hide in a group.

 

[solo80k]

I was watching closely during final 10 kms and I think Roglic shows signs of exhaustion. I think the team saved him from the potential attacks but tomorrow is another day where he can collapse. But time will tell.

 

[Escarabajo]

BTW Sosa finished 36 minutes down, even behind Cameron Wurf who worked a lot at the front through the stage. Either he's sick or in the worst shape of his life.

I was asking myself the same thing, something is wrong with him. He has been of no help in this Vuelta.

 

[Big Doopie]

very boring stage.

and wtf can't english commentators pronounce Gaudu's name correctly? It's really not hard.

 

[Red Rick]

very boring stage.

and wtf can't english commentators pronounce Gaudu's name correctly? It's really not hard.

Kirby was trying to tell a story about a Sporza commentator that died then he realised he'd forgotten the name and forgot about that story.

 

[gunara]

The Jumbots are ruining the Grand Tours! The UCI has to reduce team sizes!

At least they're only ruining Grand Tours and not creating legions of annoying fanboys swarming world of cycling, unlike.....

 

[Red Rick]

At least they're only ruining Grand Tours and not creating legions of annoying fanboys swarming world of cycling, unlike.....

It helps that it's a Dutch team not winning with Dutch riders and the star Slovenian lost the Tour to another Slovenian

 

[gunara]

It helps that it's a Dutch team not winning with Dutch riders and the star Slovenian lost the Tour to another Slovenian

Probably. After all I think decades of torture from two previous teams has made Jumbo's style no longer as annoying, especially that they didn't suddenly come big out of nowhere with pretentious reinventing cycling images whatever ***.

 

[Red Rick]

Probably. After all I think decades of torture from two previous teams has made Jumbo's style no longer as annoying, especially that they didn't suddenly come big out of nowhere with pretentious reinventing cycling images whatever ***.

It was one Tour, which they lost. Yeah Tour de l'Ain and Dauphine were bad, but whatever.

Roglic doesn't have the inevitable feeling that Froome had. It's actually possible to attack him, today the other guys just chose not to.

Now there's a Vuelta with an arguably weak field where Jumbo did go missing once or twice and where they've hardly totally ripped it. They jsut systematically have 3 guys in the last 15 with Kuss and Bennett. Not totally unheard of.

 

[Koronin]

It was one Tour, which they lost. Yeah Tour de l'Ain and Dauphine were bad, but whatever.

Roglic doesn't have the inevitable feeling that Froome had. It's actually possible to attack him, today the other guys just chose not to.

Now there's a Vuelta with an arguably weak field where Jumbo did go missing once or twice and where they've hardly totally ripped it. They jsut systematically have 3 guys in the last 15 with Kuss and Bennett. Not totally unheard of.

It's not like they are the only ones with 3 riders in the last 15-20 riders either. Granted Movistar's 3 are all sort of riding for themselves while 2 are helping Mas, where as Jumbo's 2 are all in for their leader.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The Movistar bashing and memeing is getting out of hand. They put Soler in prime position to gain time in GC and win the stage. Gaudu is an amazing climber, it's no shame to narrowly lose against him on a MTF.

Granted, Soler will probably pay for today tomorrow but they were at least doing something and not just riding the train and then sprint at the finish.

Forum meme's are often a lot of fun and are not to be taken too seriously.

I think that Movistar have achieved close to what they should have achieved in GT's as far as GC is concerned. 2014 Giro, 2016 Vuelta, 2019 Giro; 3 victories from about 20, and they have never had the strongest rider in the peloton (at least overall, maybe once or twice in individual races).

 

[gregrowlerson]

If you'd ask me who'd do this time on Farrapona in 2020 I'd probably have said Contador

Hopefully this is Alberto's Lance/Carlos moment

 

[gregrowlerson]

Having ridden a similar amount of miles, doesn't mean they have the same amount of fatigue though. Martin and Carapaz didn't have to be fully alert every day of the Tour for instance. And in Roglic's case there's definitely more of a mental exhaustion in play as well.

And those other guys didn't get Pogascarred for life.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The intensity plays a huge role. Roglic tried to win the Tour de l'Ain, the Criterium Dauphine Libere, the Tour de France the World Championship and Liege-Bastogne-Liege and had to produce a lot of excellent efforts. I have a nice database of climbing times (of course it does not contain all climbs, but a lot). One can count how long a rider rode 6W/kg and so on climbs I measured this year:

W/kg	Roglic	Carapaz	Mas	Martin	Carthy
>8	3:38	0	0	2:46	0
>7.5	7:29	0	0	2:46	0
>7	14:58	0	0	2:46	0
>6.5	2:05:36	1:56:34	1:31:16	38:07	1:11:16
>6	4:52:42	3:37:37	6:02:41	1:50:52	3:26:58
>5.5	9:17:17	6:08:29	8:19:03	3:33:58	4:00:48

This means that Roglic rode at least 5.5 W/kg for 9 hours 17 minutes and 17 seconds and so on.
I did not noticed that Mas had a long Season, too. However, Roglic had a lot more high intensity efforts.

Where in the hell have you been these past nine years?!

2012 Giro and Tour put you off the sport, didn't they?

Looking forward to further great posts from you.