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Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 18: Pola de Allande - La Cruz de Linares, 178.9k

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Chris Horner also towed rival team rider Tejay van Garderen up Alpe d'Huez in the 2010 Dauphiné when his own teammate was in yellow, to try to get a fellow American on the podium. So I don't think he's likely to be the most objective commenter here.
I've made myself clear on what I think of Bob Roll, and Chris Horner doesn't have any IQ points on Roll. Horner's a mouthbreather.
 
Roglic: "I have my own thoughts about it."

Clearly not entirely happy with this. But I guess he prefers Sepp winning than Jonas. And he probably knows that if he rode for it, Jonas would win. There was no way for this to end well for him so helping Kuss was probably the lesser of two evils (okay, evils is probably an exaggeration but you know what I mean).
Where did he say this? I missed it
 
The agenda has been blatant. Just look at how many people have started calling him Sepp rather than Kuss for the first time in their lives in the past few days.
Yeah. And more generally first name talking about distant sportstars is always cringy anyway. Ex.: "Remco".

More generally, if nothing else, the Roglic thread got quite a bit of new material from this, erm, race. I think he should consider leaving Jumbo if he wants to ride for the TDF win. Vingo's bargaining chips for leadership are better for the 24 edition and I don't think a sensible DS brings them both.
 

If Roglič accepted this he'd be cucked into oblivion. He literally had his second place in GC robbed from him on stage 16 when Vinge mugged him. I mean the prevailing conversation 48 hours ago was about how weak Rog looked.

If he wants leadership in the TdF (wherever) & to protect his standing as one of the absolute best climbers in the world, then winning the Angliru was the only response possible after Tuesday's affront.
 
I have no problem with Remco going out there and animating the race once his GC bid failed. He's recovering a strong race out of it with stage wins and the GPM in the same way as people like Simon Yates and Nairo Quintana in the 2019 Tour, Richard Carapaz in the 2020 Tour or Mikel Landa in the 2017 Giro. Isn't that exactly what we want quality climbers who've dropped out of the GC mix to be doing?

He's one of the only people that comes out of the absolute joke that today's stage who can hold his head high, it's only the annoying drama that follows his every move because his disciples and detractors are lodged in a protracted war of attrition that could cause anybody to disagree with that imo.
Yes!
 
Roglic: "I have my own thoughts about it."

Clearly not entirely happy with this. But I guess he prefers Sepp winning than Jonas. And he probably knows that if he rode for it, Jonas would win. There was no way for this to end well for him so helping Kuss was probably the lesser of two evils (okay, evils is probably an exaggeration but you know what I mean).

this goes to he crux of the matter for Roglic . He wanted to beat Vingegaard as he wants to prove he is stronger and deserves leadership at the 2024 Tour

Also Roglic was probably promised leadership at the Vuelta but then Vingegaard turns up...Maybe didn't like it but saw it as a chance to take the Tour Champion on

Once Sepp Kuss went up the road in that break it was decided really. He never cracked and was better than all the other opponents, so taking the jersey off of him was never going to be a good optics .

Things is team screwed it up really I dont think Vingeaggrd minds too much but Roglic does as Vinge finished ahead of him and he hasnt as much time to get the Tour win

Maybe they could ride another stage on Monday ..a very long mountain one for 2nd place ?
 
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who? and why you hate Kuss?
Kuss' view on racing in 2020 was that it is something he is there to stop happening. Justifying the most negative, pathetic examples of non-racing this side of Adam Hansen waking up on a rainy day, giving an interview where he insists that riders should only race if the stage finishes on the steepest climb, and then the team actually racing like they believe that. Using him as this negative weapon, to kill off all racing, but never actually add to racing.

This continued for a couple of years, largely until Vingegaard took control of the team as a clear leader alongside Rogla, for whom Sepp basically did nothing while every mountain stage ended in a 15-man group ride at a tempo tapped out by somebody like George Bennett, and then Sepp would be there telling everybody how hard they raced the stage, while breathing through his nose and having done absolutely nothing.

Nowadays the dislike is ingrained and as his racing has become less objectionable to me, the way he is pushed as this wonderful, benevolent super nice guy really grinds my gears, and the more people seem to be won over by his Mary Poppins exterior, the more I want him to go away.

Plus we now have a diet of commentators and pundits who all think he's wonderful and we should neuter racing to his benefit because he happens to speak their language.
 

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