What should happen to Sky for getting food on Stage 18?

[pedaling squares]

If they're going to penalize Froome with time, 20s was fair. But that was lame. What they should have done was rig his SRM for Stage 19 so that the only things that appeared on screen were tweets from Cathy Wiggins.

 

[dwyatt]

Would anyone here of complained if he had been awarded the same time as Contador?

Of course i would, the time penalty for illegal feeds is nearly always 20 seconds. Why Contador anyway?

 

[dwyatt]

If I remember well, he did something similar on Mt.Ventoux, too... even tough that was not from the car, so should be fine... today, clear rules violation, 20 secs penalty is ridiculous yet not surprising... TdF does not always have the same criteria for everyone

The ventoux feed was not illegal, even though many on here said it was:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...l-no-time-limit-extension-for-the-alpe_295537

 

[lemoogle]

The ventoux feed was not illegal, even though many on here said it was:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...l-no-time-limit-extension-for-the-alpe_295537

Curiosity ( no accusations ) how did they get that guy there on the side of the road so easily after the announcement was made on race radio.

 

[Morbius]

Is this a greater degree of cheating that giving up a deliberate foul in Basketball?

In both cases you are choosing to do something against the rules and accepting the penalty.

 

[TheGame]

20 seconds is fair, but I do feel there should be an asterisk put next to his name on all official records clarifying that he won the race unfairly.

 

[ElChingon]

I don't see it as a big deal at least no bigger than the riders who caused accidents in the earlier stages (and I'm not talking about Cav), those should of gotten a fine of some kind. Froome bent the rules rather nicely though, pick-pocketing Porte. Can imagine they could of done some better acting to get away with it, like Porte playing he was angry at Froome and tossed a gel pack at him. If the rules get this tight can imagine some riders imitating the baby bird feedings

 

[Jelantik]

what should happen?
nothing.

he is getting food not 'other thing' *that belongs to clinic*

 

[robow7]

they could of done some better acting to get away with it, like Porte playing he was angry at Froome and tossed a gel pack at him.

Now that's funny

 

[silverrocket]

I think rules are rules. Penalties should apply but a DSQ ?? Are you serious ?? LOL

I voted for 'a couple of minutes' but that is only in context of the gap in this years tour.

I think the decision should be arbitrary although the flaw with that is that the French tend to be biased (harsh but fair).

If this was a Tour in which the top two were within 10 secs of each other - you have just ruined the Tour - if you gave a two minute fixed penalty.

In this case 20 secs is much too little, but generally speaking is probably appropriate as a standard penalty.

That's my thoughts for what it's worth.

While I liked the previous poster who wanted Churchill dug up and his head stuck on a pike on the Champs E., I think your reasoning is spot on.

I agree 20s is too little for Froome this year, but in another year 20s could mean the difference between winning and losing. So perhaps the best solution is a time penalty that is a percentage of the time gap to the person 1 place behind in GC? If the gaps is a minute, penalty is 10s. If it's 5 minutes, penalty is 50 seconds (or something like that).

 

[auscyclefan94]

It was blatant cheating and then it was even more disgusting that Froome tried to make an excuse about it. I hate Sky even more now.

I hope Froome gets a hunger knock on the Glandon.

 

[silverrocket]

Keeping things in perspective, the rule exists, I believe, to keep team vehicles out of the way and reduce chaos on the road during finales. It's a safety thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with keeping riders from eating. In Froome/Porte's case then it was a no harm/no foul type thing, deserving of a minimal penalty just to keep people from doing it all the time.

However, the fact that Sky broke the rule anyway, despite being told by race radio, suggests the penalty is not severe enough to truly enforce the rule. Next time someone might want to do the same thing and we could have a team car running over a spectator, or something like that.

 

[richwagmn]

What's the point of this poll?

The rules are clear and they were applied fairly.

 

[Microchip]

No food for 24 hour, that'll teach them

He looks like he goes without food for much longer than that!

 

[oldcrank]

The energy snack that Chris Froome consumed, supplied
by Manchester based premium sports nutrition experts
CNP sure did the job and revitalised Froomey extremely
fast. I think I'll jump on my Pinarello and go purchase a
box for myself and another box for my training partners
so they will be able to keep up with me.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Keeping things in perspective, the rule exists, I believe, to keep team vehicles out of the way and reduce chaos on the road during finales. It's a safety thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with keeping riders from eating. In Froome/Porte's case then it was a no harm/no foul type thing, deserving of a minimal penalty just to keep people from doing it all the time.

However, the fact that Sky broke the rule anyway, despite being told by race radio, suggests the penalty is not severe enough to truly enforce the rule. Next time someone might want to do the same thing and we could have a team car running over a spectator, or something like that.

To keep anyone from food and water is inhuman especially under the conditions. Food and water are not going to improve performances but are used to prevent the body from going into dangerous deficits.

 

[oldcrank]

To keep anyone from food and water is inhuman especially under the conditions. Food and water are not going to improve performances but are used to prevent the body from going into dangerous deficits.

Excellent point, and the Tour de France already has blood on it's
hands from the days when they limited riders to four bidons per
day. Perhaps the official motorcycles that hand out water should
also have some sort of energy snack to prevent another tragedy.

 

[MrNovember]

the sting.


i trully believe there was nothin' wrong with him. he staged it under all that's beeing said and shouted to him.

double shame.




or triple, cause it was a horrible play. even his woman kept shouting in the radio: ya can't act, ya can't perform.


it's a nervous tick motion of the head to the left.





hello all.

 

[Morbius]

20 seconds is fair, but I do feel there should be an asterisk put next to his name on all official records clarifying that he won the race unfairly.

Sure - if you do the same for Stephen Roche for his penalty at La Plagne and countless others

 

[Pulpstar]

Well 20 seconds is the UCI rules.

It was a bit silly that he blamed little Richie also...

A rule of '20 seconds or being put on the same time as the GC competitor immediately behind you (And relegation of the place), whichever is greater (And stage time adjusted to the competitor behind (And relegation of the place) or 20 seconds, whichever is greater)' could be introduced though

That would soon stop it. It would be unfair to punish Froome like that though (retrospectively). He must be punished according to the rules as they are at the time.

The fine element is completely immaterial, though putting that up could unfairly punish smaller teams so it should probably be left at the now somewhat nominal level of 200 swiss francs.

I voted a couple of minutes, but the rules are as the rules are so it was an easy decision for the commisaires.

Meanwhile what about Saxo's 'light' bikes, is there a proscribed punishment for those or have the commisaires told them to take the extra weight today or what ? Not anti-Froome or anti Alberto but whatever is done must be consistent.

Will Adam Hansen be punished for taking an illegal beer though xD ??!

 

[erniecohen]

Food is a PED

I think people are missing the point. The point is not just that Sky broke the rules, but that they did so deliberately. It's not like interfering with another rider in the heat of battle (an infraction that draws what might be considered a much more severe penalty). They didn't just miss the feed area by a few meters. They had a GC leader who was about to crack, and they made a thoughtful decision to cheat (knowing that the penalty wouldn't be too severe) in order to remove the risk of his losing minutes on the climb.

The message something like this sends to viewers like me is that these teams are happy to break the rules if they think they can get away with. That's not the way to convince me that they have any intention to stay clean, if it means the difference between winning and losing and they have a decent chance of getting away with it.

I think the race organizers should make it clear that from now on, when a team clearly and intentionally breaks the rules in order to gain a competitive advantage, the team will be disqualified, period.

What I don't understand is why the peloton isn't much more upset with Sky for doing this. (Perhaps they are, but the media isn't talking about it.)

 

[cineteq]

The message something like this sends to viewers like me is that these teams are happy to break the rules if they think they can get away with. That's not the way to convince me that they have any intention to stay clean, if it means the difference between winning and losing and they have a decent chance of getting away with it.

It goes to show you that Froome is willing to cheat. Especially after his response, saying that technically he shouldn't have been penalized because he got fed from Porte.

If it's intentional or not, it should not matter. The rules are there to be respected. Teams must read the rules.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

It goes to show you that Froome is willing to cheat. Especially after his response, saying that technically he shouldn't have been penalized because he got fed from Porte.

If it's intentional or not, it should not matter. The rules are there to be respected. Teams must read the rules.

Further signs of mental fragility by Froome...

 

[erniecohen]

If it's intentional or not, it should not matter. The rules are there to be respected. Teams must read the rules.

In the heat of battle, riders often make borderline moves (e.g., in a sprint finish) and sometimes go too far, or fail to sense a rider they are about to interfere with. That's what I mean by an unintentional rules infraction.

 

[cineteq]

In the heat of battle, riders often make borderline moves (e.g., in a sprint finish) and sometimes go too far, or fail to sense a rider they are about to interfere with. That's what I mean by an unintentional rules infraction.

Gotcha brother.