When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[FoxxyBrown1111]

If you ever can tell that for all riders

No. I only can tell that when it´s too obvious. Like I did with Mosquera (he later got busted), AC (later got busted), and a few other ones I just don´t remember now... but never was it as obvious as it is with Horner. A big time cheater with no morals at all. Other dopers at least try to look believable.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No. I only can tell that when it´s too obvious. Like I did with Mosquera (he later got busted), AC (later got busted), and a few other ones I just don´t remember now... but never was it as obvious as it is with Horner. A big time cheater with no morals at all. Other dopers at least try to look believable.

Really? Horner is blood doping and that makes him stand out from the crowd exactly how?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Really? Horner is blood doping and that makes him stand out from the crowd exactly how? You need to take a deep breathe and a midol. Or three.

So we start from A again?
I only call those dopers of whom I am absolutely sure about. Unlike the "they dope all" fraction in the clinic.
So what is your post supposed to mean (outside of attacking)?
That you are 100% sure that, let´s say Degenkolb dopes?

 

[Wallace]

Really? Horner is blood doping and that makes him stand out from the crowd exactly how?

I think Foxxy's point is that Horner winning at GT at his age is what makes his doping so brazenly insulting. But I like your midol joke, because, you know, women and their periods, amIright? Freakin' hilarious.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I think Foxxy's point is that Horner winning at GT at his age is what makes his doping so brazenly insulting.

... and his non results in his previous stint in europe when he was young, his coming and going out of/to nowhere after peaking for a GT injured, and so on... It´s so much.

But I like your midol joke, because, you know, women and their periods, amIright? Freakin' hilarious.

I don´t like it. BTW, he knows from my posting history I am not a woman. His only attempt was another round of going as low as possible against me...

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

So that gives him what, two to three years left in his career?

Yeah, maybe more. He may be the only World Tour rider that will transfuse embalming fluid.

 

[Master50]

... and his non results in his previous stint in europe when he was young, his coming and going out of/to nowhere after peaking for a GT injured, and so on... It´s so much.



I don´t like it. BTW, he knows from my posting history I am not a woman. His only attempt was another round of going as low as possible against me...

CH 1st experience in Europe is evidence he was racing clean. His current performances are proof the level of cheating has dialled back at least enough that races are being won without doping.
When you predicted AC was on. I am sure you predicted he took a weight controlling drug too? CH current successes in Europe could just be proof the game has changed but hey I suppose this is the clinic.
SO explain how a rider dominating North American races goes to Europe and finds he is pack filler? This at a time when he was doing well against these same pros from North America before they went to Euro land?
I appreciate it is possible you have another one for your list of dopers but in context of his career I find it incredible he starts doping at a time when his doping limits are much harder to cross? He raced clean all those years to cross the line in his late 30s? I can hear you lay claim he was doping back then too but is defies any sense of logic? I am afraid you may wait a long time to see him caught.

 

[DirtyWorks]

CH 1st experience in Europe is evidence he was racing clean. His current performances are proof the level of cheating has dialled back at least enough that races are being won without doping.

Yes, and Froomie's transformation is perfectly legitimate. It happens all the time..... with oxygen vector doping.

SO explain how a rider dominating North American races goes to Europe and finds he is pack filler? This at a time when he was doing well against these same pros from North America before they went to Euro land?

His Euro competitors were doping.

doping limits are much harder to cross?

Whatever you do, don't read Ashenden's detailed explanation of how EPO micro dosing works. And please, ignore the absurd T/E ratio and primitive Test urinalysis. How about that HGH test too? And what about the giant hole in the bio-passport for grand tours? There's always the "Call Zorzoli for a TUE!" All of these opportunities are alive and well in 2014.

And please, please PLEASE don't read about outside analysis of Horner's own values by a WADA expert.

However, I agree with you. The UCI are likely doing this the quiet way and demoting the guy. Horner is never tested positive.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yeah right.

120th in Quebec and DNF in Montreal say otherwise

...from a grand tour winner. Seems legit.

 

[red_flanders]

CH 1st experience in Europe is evidence he was racing clean. His current performances are proof the level of cheating has dialled back at least enough that races are being won without doping.
When you predicted AC was on. I am sure you predicted he took a weight controlling drug too? CH current successes in Europe could just be proof the game has changed but hey I suppose this is the clinic.
SO explain how a rider dominating North American races goes to Europe and finds he is pack filler? This at a time when he was doing well against these same pros from North America before they went to Euro land?
I appreciate it is possible you have another one for your list of dopers but in context of his career I find it incredible he starts doping at a time when his doping limits are much harder to cross? He raced clean all those years to cross the line in his late 30s? I can hear you lay claim he was doping back then too but is defies any sense of logic? I am afraid you may wait a long time to see him caught.

While I agree with you that he was likely mostly clean (no oxygen vector doping) his first time around, his performances in last year's Vuelta ate not explainable clean. He was riding as fast as any doper ever has. That is the opposite of "proof the game has changed" it's proof the game has changed very little.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

While I agree with you that he was likely mostly clean (no oxygen vector doping) his first time around

And he was so bad clean, that he couldn´t hold wheels of his clean opponents like Casar and Moncoutie. That means OTOH he is a major responder to EPO/blood doping like LA was. May even better since his highest W/Kg numbers came after age 40.

 

[Wallace]

... and his non results in his previous stint in europe when he was young, his coming and going out of/to nowhere after peaking for a GT injured, and so on... It´s so much.



I don´t like it. BTW, he knows from my posting history I am not a woman. His only attempt was another round of going as low as possible against me...

Sorry--I guess my sarcasm didn't come across.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

SO explain how a rider dominating North American races goes to Europe and finds he is pack filler?

He got fat. And he didn't really want to be there.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Looks like Cowboy's season is over

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Looks like Cowboy's season is over

Not selected for Worlds?

 

[the sceptic]

Come on Astana or Tinkoff sign him up for next year.

Horner is much too young to ride on the US circuit yet.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Come on Astana or Tinkoff sign him up for next year.

Horner is much too young to ride on the US circuit yet.

The best ever would be to bring Mancebo back to the U.S. and have those two cleaning up at every high-ranking domestic race nobody watches.

 

[Race Radio]

Horner will not be racing for Lampre next year. They have no interest in him.

What US team has the cash to sign him?

 

[mewmewmew13]

call letters BMC for Horner? Och ..c''mon!

 

[webvan]

Where have Lampre said that?

 

[Race Radio]

Where have Lampre said that?

Heard it though the grapevine

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Head for South America, team up with Sevilla and beat the crap out of the Colombians.

 

[the sceptic]

Heard it though the grapevine

Yeah its really surprising that Lampre wouldnt want to sign a 42 year old doper who just conned them out of a one year contract.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

horner will not be racing for lampre next year. They have no interest in him.

What us team has the cash to sign him?

bmc???????

 

[May0maniac]

Head for South America, team up with Sevilla and beat the crap out of the Colombians.

That would be epic!