When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[Clausfarre]

There's no way someone from Japan would cheat, not with the honor code they have. I heard that it's 2nd only to the British honor code.

Ha ha!!!

 

[Master50]

Now leading a Vuelta near you! Go Chris Go
Sign me a Canadian fan

 

[Oldman]

Horners always been a question mark to me. Seems plausible that he's extremely athletically gifted but just the type of guy no one would trust and naive enough to believe the BS and now look stronger since things have cleand up some. Also its possible that he didn't dope and then did and we're seeing that now.

Having seen him at his earliest amateur days it is "possible" that he's done this purely on talent as he was that good. This stage wasn't a monstrous alpine battle at 7,000', either.
When is the last time you've seen a rider that has come back with very little racing to do this well? Museuuw?
As for him never doping? That would be naïve and incorrect.
Fans hope his is clean.

 

[zlev11]

it would be awesome if he wins the GC. i'll rooting for the ol' EPO Cowboy.

 

[Ferminal]

He also seems to have changed his name from Christian to Christopher since then. And it looks like he was interested in motorsport back then. If he'd kept that up maybe he could have been boss of the Red Bull F1 team by now.

Woah, thanks for clearing that up!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Wonder how many teams will be after Horner's signature?

Every 45+ masters team, I think.

 

[winkybiker]

My question is regarding the type of pharmaceuticals that afflicted both Horner and Leipheimer causing their (bald) heads to grow to such enormous bobble-headed sizes. I know HGH caused Hincapie, Anderson and Stephens to grow comically enlarged jaws, but what new(ish) and bizzare dope caused the gigantic heads of Horner and Leipheimer?

 

[Netserk]

T would 'help' with the balding.

 

[zigmeister]

Well, maybe there is something suspicious...but Horner has said publicly several times in the last month or two the power output that has been kept while going tempo up several climbs...350w....is that really so unbelievable?

All he did today was jumped the big ring the last 1.5 miles or so and just stomped on it for a few minutes...it really was nothing special and the climb was just a real fast past at the start, and not that steep. Even a bunch of nobody guys who can't climb worth garbage were in the main group near the end. I mean Gilbert only finished like 30 seconds from Horner's time.

He basically did the same thing to Danielson at the Tour of Utah, at much higher altitude mind you where he has been training. Jumped the big ring at the end of the stage after a good tempo.

OH...and there was this ridiculous almost complete halt the entire main group did when Horner initially took off and they all looked around at each other wanting the other guy to take up chase, there went 10 seconds right there and a big gap. I thought somebody was going to crash into the back of another rider they nearly came to a stop so fast and spread across the road when it happened.

Then Horner only finished about what, 5-10 seconds for the second/third place finishers? He faded the last several hundred meters badly at the top.

Nothing really incredible about a Stage 3 attack early in a 21-day stage race, when other guys are thinking, hey, there is plenty of mountain finishes, no reason to blow my load today and have all the pressure of the Red jersey on your shoulders.

I know, I'm in denial...he and Jens are truly doped beyond belief and not human likely.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Men even in their twenties can go bald.. so nothing to see here.

 

[veganrob]

Every 45+ masters team, I think.

That could be a problem because their is drug testing in Masters

 

[Ferminal]

Well, maybe there is something suspicious...but Horner has said publicly several times in the last month or two the power output that has been kept while going tempo up several climbs...350w....is that really so unbelievable?

All he did today was jumped the big ring the last 1.5 miles or so and just stomped on it for a few minutes...it really was nothing special and the climb was just a real fast past at the start, and not that steep. Even a bunch of nobody guys who can't climb worth garbage were in the main group near the end. I mean Gilbert only finished like 30 seconds from Horner's time.

He basically did the same thing to Danielson at the Tour of Utah, at much higher altitude mind you where he has been training. Jumped the big ring at the end of the stage after a good tempo.

OH...and there was this ridiculous almost complete halt the entire main group did when Horner initially took off and they all looked around at each other wanting the other guy to take up chase, there went 10 seconds right there and a big gap. I thought somebody was going to crash into the back of another rider they nearly came to a stop so fast and spread across the road when it happened.

Then Horner only finished about what, 5-10 seconds for the second/third place finishers? He faded the last several hundred meters badly at the top.

Nothing really incredible about a Stage 3 attack early in a 21-day stage race, when other guys are thinking, hey, there is plenty of mountain finishes, no reason to blow my load today and have all the pressure of the Red jersey on your shoulders.

I know, I'm in denial...he and Jens are truly doped beyond belief and not human likely.

Fair comments, but I think people are going to be startled when it's a man into his 40s (whether or not they have a factual basis to use it as reason for suspicion is another matter).

 

[ianfra]

Why does the Hog always write so much smack?

 

[perico]

Having seen him at his earliest amateur days it is "possible" that he's done this purely on talent as he was that good. This stage wasn't a monstrous alpine battle at 7,000', either.
When is the last time you've seen a rider that has come back with very little racing to do this well? Museuuw?
As for him never doping? That would be naïve and incorrect.
Fans hope his is clean.

Vaughters wrote an article around 2005 (when Chris was still racing domestically) for CycleSport stating that Horner was the most naturally talented American in the peloton.

I'm in no way defending Horner, but he has always been a gifted rider.

 

[brilleaben]

Has ridden for Saunier, Astana and Bruyneel. That should be enough. If he really was the most naturally talented American, he must have been a **** responder to dope.

 

[the sceptic]

but JV says so and he is the only person in the world that can judge natural talent.

 

[Escarabajo]

Has ridden for Saunier, Astana and Bruyneel. That should be enough. If he really was the most naturally talented American, he must have been a **** responder to dope.

How do you know that?? sometimes the best talents are the worst responders because of the smaller gain they can get. Take a Colombian with a natural high hematocrit. He will gain less than a less talented rider in the peloton with lower crit. It happened to Rooks in the 90's. Then there is the constant suffering and pushing the threshold of the poor performer. He's got a lot to gain from the dope because of how much he can put in versus a more talented rider.

 

[Escarabajo]

Fair comments, but I think people are going to be startled when it's a man into his 40s (whether or not they have a factual basis to use it as reason for suspicion is another matter).

That is the only reason to be questioning his performances. He has always been talented.

 

[roundabout]

That is the only reason to be questioning his performances. He has always been talented.

Maybe. But it certainly did not reflect in his results.

 

[Master50]

As usual with absolutely no PROOF another super doper? There was nothing supercharged in his stage win and by the time he got to the line he was getting very close to caught. He timed it well, but maybe a little early. Mostly the chasers waited too long to go after him. Nothing super human here!
Time the clinic was closed or at least restricted to discussing positive drug tests. This constant speculation about how doped each of these riders are, based on facial features and imagined power data is gut wrenchingly poor evidence of anything underhanded.
I really wish the lot of you went to discuss baseball or american football where they really need the help.
Really why do you all come here? If the sport is so dirty stop following it and leave it for those of us that are wearing our rose colored glasses.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Now that the peloton is riding clean supertalents like Chris Horner can blossom at the ripe age of 41. I suggest Greg looses a few pounds, get on his bike and goes for it next year.

To put it in other words, if Chris Horner is clean he is one of the biggest cycling talents ever, if he is on the take he is one of the bigger frauds.

One thing is for sure, he has had a strange carreerpath. That says nothing of course, just an observation.

I smiled when he attacked, it is not like he hadnt told us he was going for it.

 

[red_flanders]

Now that the peloton is riding clean supertalents like Chris Horner can blossom at the ripe age of 41. I suggest Greg looses a few pounds, get on his bike and goes for it next year.

To put it in other words, if Chris Horner is clean he is one of the biggest cycling talents ever, if he is on the take he is one of the bigger frauds.

One thing is for sure, he has had a strange carreerpath. That says nothing of course, just an observation.

I smiled when he attacked, it is not like he hadnt told us he was going for it.

Not sure it's accurate to say Chris Horner is blossoming at 41. He's been winning and riding very well for years and years.

 

[goggalor]

Time the clinic was closed or at least restricted to discussing positive drug tests. This constant speculation about how doped each of these riders are, based on facial features and imagined power data is gut wrenchingly poor evidence of anything underhanded.

I don't think 'speculation' is the right word in the Redneck's case.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Vaughters wrote an article around 2005 (when Chris was still racing domestically) for CycleSport stating that Horner was the most naturally talented American in the peloton.

He also told RR and Veloclinic that Horner's biopassport is freakin ridiculous.

ex wife, kids to feed.....Part of getting paid $800,000 per year to show up "Prepared" for 4-5 races per year includes spewing nonsense.

Chris should share his blood values for the last few years. They look like the profile of Tour climbing stage

@PaulWillerton nah the epo cowboy is Horner, according to the sideburned one his biopassport is "hilarious"

 

[Oldman]

Vaughters wrote an article around 2005 (when Chris was still racing domestically) for CycleSport stating that Horner was the most naturally talented American in the peloton.

I'm in no way defending Horner, but he has always been a gifted rider.

I agree with you and Masters 50 on that count. However attention should be paid to what Paul Willerton has said and, more importantly; what Kirk Willett did not say when he described the clean riders from Mercury and Prime Alliance. Danny Pate, Swein Tuft-those guys are still doing it real. Whether Cowboy is now only he can say and yes...the peloton screwed up yesterday.