Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[ontheroad]

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

 

[MatParker117]

Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Then why not just say that? And to that point he has no issue in talking about Heano's mysterious attitude native medical condition setting off the passport when he wanted.

Methinks this is total bollocks. Brailsford is in hiding and got nothing to say means he is guilty.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Then why not just say that? And to that point he has no issue in talking about Heano's mysterious attitude native medical condition setting off the passport when he wanted.

Methinks this is total bollocks. Brailsford is in hiding and got nothing to say means he is guilty.

That's fine if Sergio had given consent which as he was part of a study he would have. Without Wiggo's written consent Sky and Brailsford can't say a word about specific cases without opening a route for potential action.

 

[ontheroad]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Complete cop out, it's a matter of public interest. For instance if I was Chris Froome I'd be straight on the blower to Brailsford wondering how the hell he was authorised to use this powerful steroid. I'd be left wondering what if Wiggins hadn't been sanctioned to use it and whether I was screwed out of a tour by my own team doctor.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Complete cop out, it's a matter of public interest. For instance if I was Chris Froome I'd be straight on the blower to Brailsford wondering how the hell he was authorised to use this powerful steroid. I'd be left wondering what if Wiggins hadn't been sanctioned to use it and whether I was screwed out of a tour by my own team doctor.

He's no longer employed by a public body and thus subject to certain confidentiality laws as the head of a private company. He couldn't tell Froome anything either it's between him, Steve Peters, the BMI consultant and Brad who is the only person who can legally discuss it in public.

 

[sniper]

And so his silence is an implicit admission that he knew about the tues.

 

[ontheroad]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Complete cop out, it's a matter of public interest. For instance if I was Chris Froome I'd be straight on the blower to Brailsford wondering how the hell he was authorised to use this powerful steroid. I'd be left wondering what if Wiggins hadn't been sanctioned to use it and whether I was screwed out of a tour by my own team doctor.

He's no longer employed by a public body and thus subject to certain confidentiality laws as the head of a private company. He couldn't tell Froome anything either it's between him, Steve Peters, the BMI consultant and Brad who is the only person who can legally discuss it in public.

Im not in a position to argue over the legalities of it but with the accusations being levelled at Brailsford and given his previous comments there are still legitimate questions he should answer. Not answering them or going into hiding only lend credence to the the view that there is something to hide. When Swart, Walsh and Millar have all come out and criticised Sky and then the DS disappears into a cave can you not see how the optics of this appears.

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage on the radio yesterday on Wiggins TUE

http://www.todayfm.com/player/shows/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/7/32155/19th_September_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_3

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Walsh is now stating (on Twitter) that he tried to contact Brailsford but he has cited medical confidentiality as the reason for not speaking. But he ommitted this from his Sunday Times article yet chose to highlight Freeman's failure to answer and return his calls.

The optics of staying silent from Brailsford makes it look even more suspicious and will ensure that the story doesn't go away anytime soon. Brailsford has 4 or 5 simple questions to answer to defend himself against the accusations of facilitating TUE misuse within Team Sky and yet he refuses the opportunity to defend himself. Why?

He opens the team and himself up to legal action if he elaborates.

Complete cop out, it's a matter of public interest. For instance if I was Chris Froome I'd be straight on the blower to Brailsford wondering how the hell he was authorised to use this powerful steroid. I'd be left wondering what if Wiggins hadn't been sanctioned to use it and whether I was screwed out of a tour by my own team doctor.

He's no longer employed by a public body and thus subject to certain confidentiality laws as the head of a private company. He couldn't tell Froome anything either it's between him, Steve Peters, the BMI consultant and Brad who is the only person who can legally discuss it in public.

Im not in a position to argue over the legalities of it but with the accusations being levelled at Brailsford and given his previous comments there are still legitimate questions he should answer. Not answering them or going into hiding only lend credence to the the view that there is something to hide. When Swart, Walsh and Millar have all come out and criticised Sky and then the DS disappears into a cave can you not see how the optics of this appears.

Why this hack is so damaging for Sky they may have clear evidence that this was done for legitimate reasons but can't say anything bar "We followed the correct procedure".

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Why this hack is so damaging for Sky they may have clear evidence that this was done for legitimate reasons but can't say anything bar "We followed the correct procedure".

If Wiggins TUEs were legit health concerns, he would not have stopped with the treatment and still have TUEs fro 2015 and 2016.

 

[Benotti69]

I guess Wiggins figures his career has taken a dive and signed up for the Abu Dhabi tour and took their appearance fee

Wonder has this put the kyobosh on his Women's team plans.....

 

[sniper]

Re:

Kimmage on the radio yesterday on Wiggins TUE

http://www.todayfm.com/player/shows/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/7/32155/19th_September_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_3

lovely.

starts at ca. 20mins in, btw.

 

[gooner]

Leading medical experts in the field of asthma and allergic rhinitis (hay fever) have cast doubt over whether the drug prescribed to Sir Bradley Wiggins ahead of some of the biggest races in his career would actually have aided his performance as many have claimed in recent days.

They have, however, questioned whether it was an appropriate course of treatment, calling Team Sky’s application for three therapeutic use exemptions (TUEs) for the corticosteroid triamcinolone “bonkers” and akin to “using a sledgehammer to crack a nut”.

Dr Brian Lipworth, of the Scottish Centre for Respiratory Research, said he believed there was “no scientific reason” why a drug like triamcinolone would be performance-enhancing.

“An anabolic steroid like testosterone puts on muscle mass but this is a catabolic steroid which breaks down muscle,” said Lipworth . “The benefits to David Millar were probably the fact that he was cheating by taking EPO and testosterone at the same time as he was using triamcinolone.”

Ian Pavord, a Professor of Respiratory Medicine at the University of Oxford, said he too doubted injected triamcinolone could help athletic performance as it would “reduce proximal muscle mass”.

Both men, however, described injected triamcinolone as a last resort, with potential side effects including “cataracts, high blood pressure, diabetes, bone-thinning and Achilles tendon ruptures”.

“It would cure his [Wiggins’s] hay fever, no doubt about that,” Lipworth said. “But the side effects are totally unacceptable in my humble opinion. We see patients who get side effects even on the higher potency inhaled corticosteroids like fluticasone, let alone injectables, which is why it’s utterly bonkers to prescribe it.

“Maybe he had tried everything and this was a last resort. But it still seems a bit bizarre to me when there are so many alternatives which are just as effective but with less severe adverse effects.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/09/20/sir-bradley-wigginss-last-resort-drug-was-utterly-bonkers-say-me/?

 

[thehog]

Back to reality for a moment;


The Wiggins TUEs are an interesting bunch;

The 2011 TUE mentions a consultation which hasn't actually occurred at the time of the TUE itself, 2/7/2011, the TUE is for 26/6/2011.

2012 TUE references a TUE application on the 30/5/2011, it states "see tue application 30/5/11" - so where is that TUE?

2012 TUE states its for the Daphine which has already competed on the 13th June but the application is made on th 26th June - back dated?

2013 TUE references an additional TUE 15/2/12 which strangely is the same date which the 2012 TUE states there was a consultation with Hargreaves.

2013 references a letter from Hargreaves 3rd January 2012 which would have been one day after a national holiday on the Monday, which is not suspicious just odd.

All in all the TUEs are a mess and mostly likely back dated for the 2012 TUE, there appears to be more TUEs not sure, who knows? How did the UCI approve these? Looks a lot like collusion.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

Kimmage on the radio yesterday on Wiggins TUE

http://www.todayfm.com/player/shows/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/7/32155/19th_September_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_3

lovely.

starts at ca. 20mins in, btw.

Nice. Kimmage on a roll.

 

[rata de sentina]

Re: Re:

Why this hack is so damaging for Sky they may have clear evidence that this was done for legitimate reasons but can't say anything bar "We followed the correct procedure".

If Wiggins TUEs were legit health concerns, he would not have stopped with the treatment and still have TUEs fro 2015 and 2016.

Must have been really bad pollen years, 2015/2016 not so bad.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Why this hack is so damaging for Sky they may have clear evidence that this was done for legitimate reasons but can't say anything bar "We followed the correct procedure".

If Wiggins TUEs were legit health concerns, he would not have stopped with the treatment and still have TUEs fro 2015 and 2016.

He also would have needed treatment at the same time each year, not late June for two consecutive years, then suddenly late April the next. Also, April isn't pollen season in the Northern Hemisphere.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Ian Pavord, a Professor of Respiratory Medicine at the University of Oxford, said he too doubted injected triamcinolone could help athletic performance as it would “reduce proximal muscle mass”.

You can lose a lot of fat with diet and exercise. Losing muscle weight is the hard part.

And as JV reminds us, sustainable power is not reduced by decreased muscle mass.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

Why this hack is so damaging for Sky they may have clear evidence that this was done for legitimate reasons but can't say anything bar "We followed the correct procedure".

If Wiggins TUEs were legit health concerns, he would not have stopped with the treatment and still have TUEs fro 2015 and 2016.

He also would have needed treatment at the same time each year, not late June for two consecutive years, then suddenly late April the next. Also, April isn't pollen season in the Northern Hemisphere.

of course it is. my god another guy who hasn't got a clue about pollen.

 

[rata de sentina]

Re: Re:

He also would have needed treatment at the same time each year, not late June for two consecutive years, then suddenly late April the next. Also, April isn't pollen season in the Northern Hemisphere.

Depends on the plant. Depends in the year/weather. I think the corticosteroid injections for allergies is major overkill but these pollen arguments are silly.

 

[Norks74]

Re: Re:

Former Irish sports journalist Paul Howard;

Paul Howard ‏@AkaPaulHoward 4 hours ago

Absolute outrage this morning from the cyclists who may have been cheated by the abuse of TUEs... Hang on - my mistake, there isn't any.

Even Saint Millar has joined the kick Wiggo party. I'm surprised by the lack of support and most people turning on him. Appears he wasn't very well liked.

Millar does not speak highly of Wiggins in his autobiography. The word I think he used to describe Wiggins was 'selfish' and says that he is not a team player....iirc

 

[Norks74]

Back to reality for a moment;


The Wiggins TUEs are an interesting bunch;

The 2011 TUE mentions a consultation which hasn't actually occurred at the time of the TUE itself, 2/7/2011, the TUE is for 26/6/2011.

2012 TUE references a TUE application on the 30/5/2011, it states "see tue application 30/5/11" - so where is that TUE?

2012 TUE states its for the Daphine which has already competed on the 13th June but the application is made on th 26th June - back dated?

2013 TUE references an additional TUE 15/2/12 which strangely is the same date which the 2012 TUE states there was a consultation with Hargreaves.

2013 references a letter from Hargreaves 3rd January 2012 which would have been one day after a national holiday on the Monday, which is not suspicious just odd.

All in all the TUEs are a mess and mostly likely back dated for the 2012 TUE, there appears to be more TUEs not sure, who knows? How did the UCI approve these? Looks a lot like collusion.

I agree in that things do not stack up correctly here. I think there must be other TUEs which we haven't seen yet as well. And of the June 2011 TUE that does look backdated (assuming the dates on the form are correct)

 

[sniper]

Re:

............skinny.................super skinny.................must have taken more than just 'n old school...

jab up the bum....................as noted above what else was there............

Mark L

Remember AFLD guy Bordry (dismissed from duty in 2010 for being too antidoping) had some interesting things to say about the TdF 2009. Some teams were crossing the border to Spain during rest day, and traces of two new drugs were found in teams' dustbins, AICAR and Hematide (3rd gen EPO).
It stands to reason that users of those drugs were among the top finishers.

We may also recall testimonies from a guy like Philippe Gaumont who said he was surprised how much drugs his doctor had him take before a TT. (Yes, a 'simple' TT.)
Kenacort was just one of many drugs he got adminstrered both orally and through injection.

 

[thehog]

Back to reality for a moment;


The Wiggins TUEs are an interesting bunch;

The 2011 TUE mentions a consultation which hasn't actually occurred at the time of the TUE itself, 2/7/2011, the TUE is for 26/6/2011.

2012 TUE references a TUE application on the 30/5/2011, it states "see tue application 30/5/11" - so where is that TUE?

2012 TUE states its for the Daphine which has already competed on the 13th June but the application is made on th 26th June - back dated?

2013 TUE references an additional TUE 15/2/12 which strangely is the same date which the 2012 TUE states there was a consultation with Hargreaves.

2013 references a letter from Hargreaves 3rd January 2012 which would have been one day after a national holiday on the Monday, which is not suspicious just odd.

All in all the TUEs are a mess and mostly likely back dated for the 2012 TUE, there appears to be more TUEs not sure, who knows? How did the UCI approve these? Looks a lot like collusion.

I agree in that things do not stack up correctly here. I think there must be other TUEs which we haven't seen yet as well. And of the June 2011 TUE that does look backdated (assuming the dates on the form are correct)

It's clear the UCI would sign anything off, they really weren't checking. Or more to the point Leinders called Zorzoli had it verbally approved and then the dodgy paperwork went through.