Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[The Hitch]

Wiggins gained a grand total of 23 seconds in all the mountains in the 2012 TdF on Nibali. 18" of which on the last mountain stage, after being dragged up by Froome, and after Nibali had been on the attack himself.

Wiggins at his best should be struggling to get within 20 minutes of Nibali in the mountains. And you are picking bones over the number of seconds he gained?

Nibali was and is one of the top 5 if not 3 best climbers in the world. Wiggins in 2007 making hos comments says he knows vino doped because of his performance in the tt. You don't think Wiggins one day outclimbing Nibali in gts was big a surprise as vino winning a tt?

Ps Wiggins also beat Nibali in the 2011 vuelta mountains. By quite a bit more than 23 seconds.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

...words actually carry no meaning.

I know I've quoted you partially and out of context, but I think the quote above does sum up The Clinic quite well!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I know.. you partially and out of context, but ... quite well!

Is quoting out of context the new EPO?

Is there a point to quoting people out of context?

Does it add to the discussion?

Is this what you are encouraging all the other Sky fan boys to do? Jimmy Fingers is already there.

 

[Franklin]

Has got very thin again. How does one do that?

Sorry Hog, not seeing the dramatic difference with P-R.

To show you how bad pictures are to estimate weight:

Yet this rather lean and mean guy looks like this just a day later:

Cue jokes how Jan ate 100 pancakes the evening of the 19th stage

Seriously, a picture is no reliable way to estimate weight.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Are you in the same camp as the "Wiggo does the opposite of everything he says in interviews"?

Bradley Wiggins says that he's gained three to four kilos since 2012 Tour de France to increase his power to challenge in Paris-Roubaix
- Will only race in Scheldeprijs before Paris-Roubaix on April 13
- Aims to lose weight after Roubaix to get back into Grand Tour condition
Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...take-paris-roubaix-118741#9ioBV9s7G0i1ktXr.99

Asked about his climbing preparation, during a season that has seen him regain the muscle mass that drove him to Olympic medals on the velodrome, Wiggins said: “I’m ready for this race. I’m at the same weight I was when I won the Tour, and it is pretty much all down to power-to-weight.
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...en-tour-california_327090#uC8iGMppCT76dVFw.99

 

[RownhamHill]

Wiggins at his best should be struggling to get within 20 minutes of Nibali in the mountains. And you are picking bones over the number of seconds he gained?

Nibali was and is one of the top 5 if not 3 best climbers in the world. Wiggins in 2007 making hos comments says he knows vino doped because of his performance in the tt. You don't think Wiggins one day outclimbing Nibali in gts was big a surprise as vino winning a tt?

Ps Wiggins also beat Nibali in the 2011 vuelta mountains. By quite a bit more than 23 seconds.

So 2007 was the year at which Wiggins was at his best in the mountains? How exactly do you figure that?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So 2007 was the year at which Wiggins was at his best in the mountains? How exactly do you figure that?

Or was it 2005, when he boasts about winning that pitiful mountain stage in the Tour of l'Avenir. el oh friggin el.

I had the engine already, and it showed that year when I won the prologues in the Dauphiné and the Four Days of Dunkirk. As early as 2005 I was seventh in the world time trial championships in Madrid: two of the riders in front of me, "Vino" and Kashechkin, were again, later, done for doping; a third, Rubén Plaza, was implicated in Operación Puerto. That year, I won a mountain stage in the Tour de l'Avenir.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/jul/13/bradley-wiggins-dope-drugs

I ain't buying what he's selling.

 

[thehog]

Sorry Hog, not seeing the dramatic difference with P-R.

To show you how bad pictures are to estimate weight:


Yet this rather lean and mean guy looks like this just a day later:


Cue jokes how Jan ate 100 pancakes the evening of the 19th stage

Seriously, a picture is no reliable way to estimate weight.

But I wasn't estimating weight. Was just saying how skinny he looked and the photos are quite nice as well.

They do a good job with them. Tattoos are a little naff to be honest. He's a bit of a thinker Bradley is he not?

But he has dropped weight. Considerable amounts in a short time. Which is what Ullrich used to do and would make himself sick.

Teenage girls, watch and learn from the best.

 

[RownhamHill]

Or was it 2005, when he boasts about winning that pitiful mountain stage in the Tour of l'Avenir. el oh friggin el.

Personally I wouldn't have thought so, no.

 

[Hawkwood]

There is a difference between training in the wet and racing in the wet though.

As an aside the Lake District is the wettest place in England, parts of Scotland are wetter

You're right, the actual wettest place according to the Met Office is Dalness, Loch Etive with 3.3m of rain, Seathwaite, Cumbria manages second with 3.15m, with most of the rest of the top ten in the Highlands, but with a few in the Lake District and North Wales.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So, what's the consensus on how long it should "normally" take to lose 6 pounds or so?
(yes, the Giro stage has been neutralised)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So, what's the consensus on how long it should "normally" take to lose 6 pounds or so?
(yes, the Giro stage has been neutralised)

How much of it was muscle, and how much of it was fat? That's key.

 

[Catwhoorg]

So, what's the consensus on how long it should "normally" take to lose 6 pounds or so?
(yes, the Giro stage has been neutralised)

A rule of thumb is a pound per week for a typical adult for heallthy weight loss.

Fatter folks manage more easily, skinny folks less.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

A rule of thumb is a pound per week for a typical adult for heallthy weight loss.

Fatter folks manage more easily, skinny folks less.

Elite athletes? *shudder*

 

[Catwhoorg]

Elite athletes? *shudder*

Especially when finding energy to ride up and down mountains in training.

Helps with the caloric deficit, but I struggle to see how anyone gets the energy to do so without some form of stimulants.*



*most of these would be legal OOC.

 

[SundayRider]

Especially when finding energy to ride up and down mountains in training.

Helps with the caloric deficit, but I struggle to see how anyone gets the energy to do so without some form of stimulants.*



*most of these would be legal OOC.

Hard to train at the intensity needed to increase fitness on a calorie deficit. Pretty straightforward if your an average Joe with 15Kg to lose and hasn't exercised in a long term, when you are already fit or an elit athlete - totally different story.

 

[thehog]

So, what's the consensus on how long it should "normally" take to lose 6 pounds or so?
(yes, the Giro stage has been neutralised)

In Hollywood or Europe?

 

[Avoriaz]

Wiggins at his best should be struggling to get within 20 minutes of Nibali in the mountains. And you are picking bones over the number of seconds he gained?

Nibali was and is one of the top 5 if not 3 best climbers in the world. Wiggins in 2007 making hos comments says he knows vino doped because of his performance in the tt. You don't think Wiggins one day outclimbing Nibali in gts was big a surprise as vino winning a tt?

Ps Wiggins also beat Nibali in the 2011 vuelta mountains. By quite a bit more than 23 seconds.

Now yes. If you compare Wiggins to Nibali of 2013 you are right he wouldn't be close (as shown in Trentino last year), but Nibali improved hugely on 2012 as he matured. But no way was Nibali top 3 climber in 2012 - not far off. But the best climbers weren't killing it in the hills. Look at stage results of the mountains and you see breakaways winning almost all. The nearest Wiggins got to the same time as winner was The first mountain stage - a one climb stage. Look at subsequent and previous gts and you see the main protagonists crossing the line first.

 

[oldcrank]

Especially when finding energy to ride up and down mountains in training.

Helps with the caloric deficit, but I struggle to see how anyone gets the energy to do so without some form of stimulants.*

*most of these would be legal OOC.

Yes, my friend, altitude and coffee
can both contribute to weight loss.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Maybe Nibali had cleaned up by 2011....

 

[The Hitch]

Now yes. If you compare Wiggins to Nibali of 2013 you are right he wouldn't be close (as shown in Trentino last year), but Nibali improved hugely on 2012 as he matured. But no way was Nibali top 3 climber in 2012 - not far off. But the best climbers weren't killing it in the hills. Look at stage results of the mountains and you see breakaways winning almost all. The nearest Wiggins got to the same time as winner was The first mountain stage - a one climb stage. Look at subsequent and previous gts and you see the main protagonists crossing the line first.

Err sometimes yes sometimes no. But that's just a sleight of hand. You don't know how the winners of other tours would have done riding the pace sky set in 2012. Just because a rider wins a stage in 2006 doesn't mean they would have won a stage in 2012 on the same form.

In fact the evidence for peyresoudes suggests sky climbed just as fast in 2012 as the 2 protagonists in 2007 and faster than all the podium finishers.

The fact that Wiggins didn't win a mountain stage (he didn't need to and btw the eventual winner didn't win a mountain stage in any or the 2 previous tdfs) is irrelevant. We aren't trying to claim Wiggins dropped everyone in the mountains like pantani (and no one apart from froome contador and Armstrong really has). We claim that he bear Nibali. Who has been considered a top 5 climber since 2010 and probably was the best non sky rider legally allowed to race at the time. And who'd abilities are limited to climbing not spread out over tting and climbing.

He beat Nibali despite the fact that Nibali was twice as good a climber as Wiggins was when Wiggins was in his prime and Nibali a neo pro. A few years later he's actually finished ahead of him in several mountain stages in both the 2011 vuelta and the 2012 tour. That's more suspicious than vino lapping the field on a tt would be.

 

[deeno1975]

Wiggo rocked it up today in the TOC... Stretched out a diminished peleton for the last 6 km of the climb, fading in the last 500 meters. Awesome performance of power and effort!!! Lance would have been proud.

Eurosport Commentators remarked on his 5kg weight loss since Roubaix and his high cadence compared to his struggling competitors. In fact dare I say they were a little shocked by how good he was going. Good auld Bradley is well and truly back (or back on something....)

 

[observer]

Are you in the same camp as the "Wiggo does the opposite of everything he says in interviews"?

I think he is just one of those people who like to hear their own voice, regardless of the S**t that comes out of it. He just says pretty much whatever he wants, and his opinion changes daily.

I think people here put a lot in specifics of what people are saying, I think what is more important is the message over time, in a more broad sense. So going from vocal anti-doping, to no mention of it is a big baffling.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think he is just one of those people who like to hear their own voice, regardless of the S**t that comes out of it. He just says pretty much whatever he wants, and his opinion changes daily.

I think people here put a lot in specifics of what people are saying, I think what is more important is the message over time, in a more broad sense. So going from vocal anti-doping, to no mention of it is a big baffling.

This theory being touted by many here reminds me of our current Prime Minister. Here's how ridiculous it sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eai3eKPEV5I

 

[maxmartin]

PR was around 4/13, and today is 5/13. Commentator keeps talking about W lost 5kg since PR. I believe SKY's success lies in how to lose weight so quick while maintaining or even increasing the power. W will keep losing weight and up his power until Tour comes.