Wiggins Discussion thread.

[airstream]

Of course when a certain rider that you detest states that he is/was sick during a stage race, you categorize that as an "excuse" not as an explanation. Your reasoning being that he's not giving his opponents credit for their succcess against him in that particular instance and using his being sick as a way to minimize his rival's victory.

Can we also categorize you as an anti -------- maniac?

I don't belittle a rider capacities. Never. If you talk about Contador in the 2011 Tour, we discussed it million times and I was always saying he performed better than I expected. In the Pyrenees he showed his objective level, given the Giro. When Contador won the Fuente de stage, I congratulated the fans and said it was an outstanding raid. One doesn't want to tell about fans who wrote 'it's not cycling' when Wiggins won his time trials in the Tour. As to the stage 3 or 4 of this Giro, if you really presume that healthy Wiggins can drop from a 40 guys pack at 3-4% slopes, while the group was riding in a very lenient rhythm, we see different races.

Even Wiggins who we have today looks more winning podium card than Uran and most people would agree with this.

 

[spalco]

Has this video been shown here yet? Bike Snob NYC posted it yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pt5h-rnsF6I

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Put off your "I hate Wiggins" glasses and put on some more objective ones.

ok I just did and wiggins still is a lying piece of **** who backstabs uran in an interview

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

No they just use the same bedding and pillows every day. Keep them in the baggage hold of the bus and let the germs marinate nicely becxause they never get aired properly like the bedding does in a decent hotel.

Well, they do say they launder the bedding every day so this is unlikely to be a factor.

 

[airstream]

What a piece of Sh!t Wiggo is!!!

Rigo stated clearly he would honor his role and confirmed to the public his will to help Wiggo-- Wouldn't be appropriate from Bradley to say the least he's grateful to receive the news & will be willing to repay his work if things won't work as planned initially??? Instead he now feels the hit of what everyone sees clearly & yet refuses to give up his position-even if the entire team sinks in their bid for a podium spot? I guess as long as everyone pleases "Sir BW's wishes.....

I think Rigo might have to take back those words about Froome-because seems clear to me who's the real P.R.A.T. !!!

What did Wiggins say wrong? Could anyone explain to me, please?

 

[JRanton]

ok I just did and wiggins still is a lying piece of **** who backstabs uran in an interview

What Wiggins said is actually true though (the comments about Uran being inconsistent), but yes, certainly you'd hope a teammate wouldn't express those words in public.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What Wiggins said is actually true though (the comments about Uran being inconsistent), but yes, certainly you'd hope a teammate wouldn't express those words in public.

wiggins sais he's inconsistant in timetrials. well wigigns coveniently "forgets" that it's a mountain itt and uran is always consistantl;y great on them. also wiggins has had more weak days so far this giro than uran had the entire giro last year

 

[JRanton]

Shouldn't be too hard to see if he's lying about being ill. If he isn't lying, his performance should improve in the 3rd week once the cold is cleared.

If the weather forecast is accurate then I'd say it's pretty unlikely that his performance/health will improve. Much more likely that a DNF is on the cards at this stage.

He's not lying about the cold, because you could hear in his voice in a interview he did with Sky on the rest day that he had one. Knees has also had one but I don't think any of them have had Cataldo's illness yet. There's a lot of sickness/illness in the peloton at this stage, not just Sky.

 

[coinneach]

Has this video been shown here yet? Bike Snob NYC posted it yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pt5h-rnsF6I

What a hoot!

 

[Franklin]

What did Wiggins say wrong? Could anyone explain to me, please?

I don't think anyone is able to explain this to you if you fail to see it now.

 

[Franklin]

What a hoot!

The deadpan of Gayant is fantastic

 

[One Eyed Aussie]

The deadpan of Gayant is fantastic

"He is a track rider. He has a lot to learn!"

 

[airstream]

I don't think anyone is able to explain this to you if you fail to see it now.

I see nothing criminal in 'I'll try to do the Giro Tour double and 'The Giro is not over for me in GC'. What else? If you see, you are very partial to him.

 

[Franklin]

"He is a track rider. He has a lot to learn!"

Poor Brad. The moment you do something so incredibly embarassing that you want the ground to swallow you.

 

[King Boonen]

Do they still move in a circular motion with an elliptical chain ring. I believe so but not 100%

The pedals do, they are connected to the centre of the ellipsis.

 

[Franklin]

I see nothing criminal in 'I'll try to do the Giro Tour double and 'The Giro is not over for me in GC'. What else? If you see, you are very partial to him.

Airstream, you will never realize you quote the least important parts and ignore the problematic part.

Clearly, you are incapable to undertsnad the problem as it has been pointed out may times (and it really doesn't need to be pointed out).

It's okay, let's drop it.

 

[airstream]

Airstream, you will never realize you quote the least important parts and ignore the problematic part.

Clearly, you are incapable to undertsnad the problem as it has been pointed out may times (and it really doesn't need to be pointed out).

It's okay, let's drop it.

You will never reach the verge of objective reality because you prefer to dwell between dislike and desire to criticize because you dislike. What is the problem is the question anyone Wiggo-neutral won't be able to answer.

Why am I incapable? I know less than you or anyone else? I don't think so. You are entitled to consider the smartest on the forum surely. But don't make fool out of me. It's very a fatuous policy.

 

[coinneach]

At risk of interrupting a clinic type discussion, is it not most likely that Brad is trying to keep options open for the benefit of the team?
If all eggs are in 1 basket, then its much easier for Nibali Evans & co to deal with.....if they are kept guessing, then the chances for Sky as a team are better?
Or is that just too obvious?

 

[taiwan]

Don't have to talk Uran down to do that.

It's not a biggie though.

 

[thehog]

At risk of interrupting a clinic type discussion, is it not most likely that Brad is trying to keep options open for the benefit of the team?
If all eggs are in 1 basket, then its much easier for Nibali Evans & co to deal with.....if they are kept guessing, then the chances for Sky as a team are better?
Or is that just too obvious?

Why would Nibaili be guessing? He's leading in a position of strength.

What does he care?

 

[cineteq]

Even Wiggins who we have today looks more winning podium card than Uran and most people would agree with this.

Sir Wiggo's podium chances or staying in the race is hanging by a thin thread. Poor ITT and climbing performance, rain, cold, tricky descents... I have more but should I go on?

 

[Red Rick]

Sir Wiggo's podium chances or staying in the race is hanging by a thin thread. Poor ITT and climbing performance, rain, cold, tricky descents... I have more but should I go on?

Please don't stop, go on

 

[The Hitch]

wiggins sais he's inconsistant in timetrials. well wigigns coveniently "forgets" that it's a mountain itt and uran is always consistantl;y great on them. also wiggins has had more weak days so far this giro than uran had the entire giro last year

Ryo is right on this. 3 years ago uran was working for the pink -arroyo but had a go in the kronplatz tt and came behind only Nibali basso Evans garzelli scarponi- 5/4 gt winners and Gadret. had he even turned 23 yet?

This tt is not as steep but its still uphill.

Wiggins that year went for the prologue, went for the final tt but didn't bother with the kronplatz so clearly his tt skills aren't as valuable in the mtt, especially since position doesn't matter that much. Its more his pure climbing power and perhaps ability to pace himself- though the rest of the gc guys are just as good at that, than the flat tt skills that won him eze and crans last year. He seems to have less of that power this year and at 6% rather than 4 this climb seems to be slightly more of a challenge.

On this form there is no reason to expect wiggins to put more time into uran in those 12or whatever km, than uran can get on say Tre cime. On this form anyway. If he really does have his 2012 form hidden under coa that's a different story.

To put uran down like that In the press though is a little cheap, and if what we've seen so far is his real form, a tad desperate

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Bringing a dose of reality.

To what? You've made a proclamation of death of pro cycling at least 3 times, hence my aforementioned surprise.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

You will never reach the verge of objective reality because you prefer to dwell between dislike and desire to criticize because you dislike. What is the problem is the question anyone Wiggo-neutral won't be able to answer.

Why am I incapable? I know less than you or anyone else? I don't think so. You are entitled to consider the smartest on the forum surely. But don't make fool out of me. It's very a fatuous policy.

There is no need seeking conflict where it does not hide, not a soul is comparing you to a fool or disparage between a rider who is liked or disliked modestly.

Wiggo has placed Uran in negative which serves no team a boon despite Uran enduring loyalty to the Sir leader in trouble. Rather than call Mayday Mayday riders of the same team should practice unity for strength lies within.