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the asian

the asian

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Red Rick said:
Thing is you know, in that case you can make a trilogy about AC's career:

Super talent -> stroke & brain surgery -> starting to win again -> another big injury -> TdF victory -> Not being able to ride TdF, winning Giro + Vuelta --> Winning TdF despite of team being against him --> the 2010 Tour --> the Clen case --> being free to ride --> 2011 Giro & Tour --> Backdated suspension & losing two gt's --> Winning Vuelta a month after coming back.:cool:

So tell me, in which way is Wiggins' story so special apart from the fact that he's british and that he's a ****ing boring rider:rolleyes:
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Great post.:)
 
the asian

the asian

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Moviefan1203 said:
The anti-Wiggins sentiment on this board is really alarming. What has he ever done to garner the hate?
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Boring rider.

Has flip flopped on issues.

Rides for a dominant and wealthy team.

Abused the fans who questioned him.

Worships Lance Armstrong.

Comes across as an arrogant *** in Interviews.
 
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the asian said:
Boring rider.

Has flip flopped on issues.

Rides for a dominant and wealthy team.

Abused the fans who questioned him.

Worships Lance Armstrong.

Comes across as an arrogant *** in Interviews.
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You can't really criticise Wiggins for riding in a dominant and wealthy team - let's be honest, we would all do the same given the opportunity.

The "abuse" as you call it I think is partially warranted given some of the ridiculous, ill-informed comments and accusations that appear on this forum and others. The facts to any argument need to be based on proof and evidence, but the level of such proof and evidence here and elsewhere is non-existent and often complete fiction.

"Worships Lance" is a bit of a strong description - how many of us who've followed the sport for years didn't have cycling heroes when we were younger? i.e. Lance, Hinault, Indurain etc. Brad's cycling youth was during the Lance generation, before the truth behind Lance was recently revealed so you can't really deride him for stating who he respected when he was younger.

In my book, arrogance is fine because every sport needs its characters to make it interesting. There was a time when many found Cippolini the most arrogant ****er who walked the planet - today he is revered as one of the most colourful characters the sport has ever seen, the arrogance is part of that.

I'm sure I'll get labeled as a simple Wiggo fanboy but my outlook is it is the characters in sport that make it interesting and diverse. Therefore we should appreciate the dull and extravagant in equal measure. :)
 
the asian

the asian

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Froomador said:
You can't really criticise Wiggins for riding in a dominant and wealthy team - let's be honest, we would all do the same given the opportunity.

The "abuse" as you call it I think is partially warranted given some of the ridiculous, ill-informed comments and accusations that appear on this forum and others. The facts to any argument need to be based on proof and evidence, but the level of such proof and evidence here and elsewhere is non-existent and often complete fiction.

"Worships Lance" is a bit of a strong description - how many of us who've followed the sport for years didn't have cycling heroes when we were younger? i.e. Lance, Hinault, Indurain etc. Brad's cycling youth was during the Lance generation, before the truth behind Lance was recently revealed so you can't really deride him for stating who he respected when he was younger.

In my book, arrogance is fine because every sport needs its characters to make it interesting. There was a time when many found Cippolini the most arrogant ****er who walked the planet - today he is revered as one of the most colourful characters the sport has ever seen, the arrogance is part of that.

I'm sure I'll get labeled as a simple Wiggo fanboy but my outlook is it is the characters in sport that make it interesting and diverse. Therefore we should appreciate the dull and extravagant in equal measure. :)
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The above reasons are why most people dislike him, not necessarily me.

I dislike him first and foremost because of his boring riding style.
 
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His attention to detail hasn't stopped him getting a "stomach bug" has it?
His foul language on the Tour when asked about doping by somebody who knew the LA thing would soon be everywhere was what made me question his own integrity. He didn't even lose his temper which might have been an excuse but delivered it in a flat, almost emotionless, tone.
His column in The Guardian was either crap ghostwriting and/or a well worked out heart wringing "my wife, my children would never forgive me" piece of BS as used by many whose wives and children were very happy to share their illgained riches.
Primarily my reasons for disliking him as that he is an unexciting and boring rider whose team has made a lot of this season a reason for having afternoon snoozes.
He never rode any of the post Tour crits, he behaves with lack of respect in the ToB.
He's a good Time Triallist that's it.
 
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zalacain said:
His attention to detail hasn't stopped him getting a "stomach bug" has it?
His foul language on the Tour when asked about doping by somebody who knew the LA thing would soon be everywhere was what made me question his own integrity. He didn't even lose his temper which might have been an excuse but delivered it in a flat, almost emotionless, tone.
His column in The Guardian was either crap ghostwriting and/or a well worked out heart wringing "my wife, my children would never forgive me" piece of BS as used by many whose wives and children were very happy to share their illgained riches.
Primarily my reasons for disliking him as that he is an unexciting and boring rider whose team has made a lot of this season a reason for having afternoon snoozes.
He never rode any of the post Tour crits, he behaves with lack of respect in the ToB.
He's a good Time Triallist that's it.
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No your right he didn't do any post tour crits, he rode the Olympics and won another gold.

The anti wiggins comments are just like football fans comments. Very sad
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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Froomador said:
You can't really criticise Wiggins for riding in a dominant and wealthy team - let's be honest, we would all do the same given the opportunity.

The "abuse" as you call it I think is partially warranted given some of the ridiculous, ill-informed comments and accusations that appear on this forum and others. The facts to any argument need to be based on proof and evidence, but the level of such proof and evidence here and elsewhere is non-existent and often complete fiction.

"Worships Lance" is a bit of a strong description - how many of us who've followed the sport for years didn't have cycling heroes when we were younger? i.e. Lance, Hinault, Indurain etc. Brad's cycling youth was during the Lance generation, before the truth behind Lance was recently revealed so you can't really deride him for stating who he respected when he was younger.

In my book, arrogance is fine because every sport needs its characters to make it interesting. There was a time when many found Cippolini the most arrogant ****er who walked the planet - today he is revered as one of the most colourful characters the sport has ever seen, the arrogance is part of that.

I'm sure I'll get labeled as a simple Wiggo fanboy but my outlook is it is the characters in sport that make it interesting and diverse. Therefore we should appreciate the dull and extravagant in equal measure. :)
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Yeah the team and riding style and arrogance are none issues.

. Lance and hypocrisy are not. When landis and then rasmussen got caught he gave long speeches- filled with many *****s and ****s about how.much he despises these dopers. He even says landis "ruined" his own achievement of finishing 100 whatever in the tour.
Then in 2009 he meets lance comes 4th in the tour out of nowhere and takes lances side against the investigations into him, saying "i love lance" openly modeling his gt career on lance, saying lance is.clean, casting doubt on the investigation- calling landis a drunk, and saying the investigation is bad for cycling, even after lance had lost.

If you don't see anything wrong with how 1 of the most and.doping riders in the peloton overnight becomes the peloton spokesman for lance Armstrong, then i can tell immediately what country you are from.

As for.the very"abuse" it is warranted in wiggins case because he himself never had any problem throwing doubt at the achievements of others and even said anyone who wins the tour de France is suspect by definition. Someone like froome who.never said anything one way or another before, can get away with saying they are off ended by the accusations. But it iss ridiculous to see wiggins, with the speeches he has in his history, call the accusers accuse"****ers" and. to see him respond.like that when his own standards are applied to him 5 years later, is particularly revealing of.his character.
 
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stefrees said:
No your right he didn't do any post tour crits, he rode the Olympics and won another gold.

The anti wiggins comments are just like football fans comments. Very sad
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such comments are 'very sad'...........or conflicting with your own thoughts?

talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

as it is i agree with the anti wiggins comments in this thread

i'm british...........cycling mad............i should be overjoyed that brad won the tour

but i'm not....................and that's discounting any possibility that brad doped
 
Pricey_sky

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I'm British and I'm overjoyed Wiggins won the Tour and Team Sky are successful. He has had his doubters all of his career so it's fair enough he sticks 2 fingers up to them now he had an almost perfect season, I'd do the same to be fair.

I completely understand why people don't like him, he is just that type of person. I can't stand Contador but I respect his talent and undesrstand why his followers love him. That's just the way sport is there will allways be heroes and villians in each persons eyes.

The only point I will argue is the people that moan about his participation since the Tour. After winning Paris-Nice, Tour of Romandie, Dauphine and the Tour de France I can't see what the problem is. He did win olympic gold a week after the Tour too. Even Wiggins is showing its not possible to stay in form all year round.
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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Have to agree Wiggo's season was stellar, no denying it.

Doesn't make me like his boring riding style or Potty Mouth though.
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No, I really find it too bad, but I'm not going to get upset by it hence the smiley. :p
 
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Red Rick said:
Thing is you know, in that case you can make a trilogy about AC's career:

Super talent -> stroke & brain surgery -> starting to win again -> another big injury -> TdF victory -> Not being able to ride TdF, winning Giro + Vuelta --> Winning TdF despite of team being against him --> the 2010 Tour --> the Clen case --> being free to ride --> 2011 Giro & Tour --> Backdated suspension & losing two gt's --> Winning Vuelta a month after coming back.:cool:

So tell me, in which way is Wiggins' story so special apart from the fact that he's british and that he's a ****ing boring rider:rolleyes:
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Watching a Wiggins movie would be like watching him race. Bad idea for a movie. Armstrong movie would have it all: heros, villains, and a hero that turns out to be a villain in the end. A clever screenplay could bare all with a series of flashbacks. A Contador movie would also have it all because it would include Armstrong and a Spanish cow as the villains.
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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Pricey_sky said:
The only point I will argue is the people that moan about his participation since the Tour. After winning Paris-Nice, Tour of Romandie, Dauphine and the Tour de France I can't see what the problem is. He did win olympic gold a week after the Tour too. Even Wiggins is showing its not possible to stay in form all year round.
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I agree, wiggins had absolutely every right to hang up his bike after the Tour. I dont like people attacking Wiggins for bull**** trivial reasons like that, or that he had a smoke. Cos then people come on here and moan that dislike of wiggins is pure blind anti britishness. But the fact is half of those who are anti wiggins on here would have been overjoyed with a froome victory.

zalacain said:
Il Pirata is a pretty good movie. It has the tragic ending too.
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Is that the one that is coming out soon?
El Pistolero said:
Too bad Wiggo will win the Vélo d'Or. :p
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Says the guy who earlier in the year was very upset that "who is wiggans?" would beat tom boonen for it. But then you saw it was a trolling opportunity of course.
 
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rghysens

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webvan said:
ok...let's get back on topic, Wiggo abandons TOB, a "stomach bug" apparently...hate to admit it but ever since that PDM 1991 "problem" it's hard not to be suspicious these days when a cyclist gets ill...this coming from someone who admires and respects Wiggo.

-> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-abandons-tour-of-britain
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In this case I'm 100% sure his stomach bug has nothing to do with anything closely related with "that other sub-forum". Probably just a hangover.
The only reason Wiggins participated in this race is a commercial one.
 
Libertine Seguros

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Pricey_sky said:
The only point I will argue is the people that moan about his participation since the Tour. After winning Paris-Nice, Tour of Romandie, Dauphine and the Tour de France I can't see what the problem is. He did win olympic gold a week after the Tour too. Even Wiggins is showing its not possible to stay in form all year round.
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Nope, only for six months from February to August, and only once you've achieved absolutely everything you want to from the year can you slack off. Come on, every rider tunes down. Even Contador, who always rides to win, only did a February to July season pre-ban. There's only really pre-ban Valverde and Evans (and to a lesser extent Rodríguez) out of GC contenders who do the "competitive all year long" thing. And Wiggins was tonking people who were specific peaking, by just being in endless great form. His time trial has improved by a crazy amount, but we've kind of closed our eyes to that since he's always been an excellent time triallist.

The problem is, he's boring. And people who win all the time make the spectacle boring, which makes it doubly boring.

How this is going to make a film I have no idea. Here are a few riders off the top of my head whose exploits could make for a film, whether it be a docufilm, a serious story, a cheesy sports movie or even a comedy (Super Mario, I'm looking at you here):

Gino Bartali
Francesco Moser
Stephen Roche
Alberto Contador
Mario Cipollini
Lucho Herrera
Aleksandr Vinokourov
Tom Simpson
Marco Pantani
Lance Armstrong
Jacques Anquetil
Raymond Poulidor
Roberto Heras
Riccardo Riccò
Floyd Landis

Hell, Cadel Evans would make for a better story, with the eternal nearly man who makes his transformation, and people thinking he's too old and has missed his best opportunities, when everything falls into place.
 
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