Wiggins Discussion thread.

[RHRH19861986]

Wiggins needs to be prepared to answer the questions he is getting. Any yellow jersey wearer does.

Good point. Actually his only lack of professionality. He shouldn´t regard this accusations as directed against his person, but against the jersey he wears. By behaving like he did, he´s even more in danger of another Whitney Richards appearing (the former colleague of M. Rasmussen who spoke out in 2007´s Tour).

He should´ve been prepared for these kinds of questions.

In 2011, Evans faced this stuff, and just answered, "I´m not in the position to answer this.". Much, much better treatment of this issue...

 

[Cimber]

So far I have only disliked Wiggins defensive riding style, but now I am starting to dislike his personality too. Nibali is right, u need to show some resepctr for your rivals. Taaramae was riding up to Nibali and giving him a pad on the back to show respect for the bold attack shortly after Nibali was caught. Thats the way to do it. U can and should show respect for bold attacks like that even if they are attacking u. Wiggins is beginning to act like Armstrong (also regarding how he handles doping questions). Next year Contador and Schleck will bring him back to reality.

Anyways, on stage 16 Nibali can hopefully pay him back.

 

[rhubroma]

This is from today's presser in answer to Tan:-

His response:
"I understand it from certain parts of the media, but I don't feel like I should have to sit here and justify everything I have done to the world. I'm not some s**t rider who has just came from nowhere. I've been three times Olympic champion on the track. People have to realise what kind of engine you need to win an Olympic gold medal as an individual pursuiter. I've been six times world champion, fourth in the Tour de France, third in the Vuelta last year. It's not like I've just come from nowhere. I've got an incredible pedigree behind me, junior world champion since I was 18 and an incredible rise through the ranks.

"I didn't lose my cool, I just said what I think. It's completely different. If I'd lost my cool, this table would've been on the floor down there. That's the difference. I just don't feel like I have to sit here and justify to everyone.

"To me, it's them p**sing all over everything I've done, by just saying 'Oh yes, he's cheating' or whatever. That's what really gets to me. Everyone in their individual jobs works hard at what they do. Everyone on this Tour has got a certain job to do and they work hard on it. That's no different to the riders and the position I'm in now. Yes, I'm in the yellow jersey and I'm inspiring maybe kids to take up cycling, this, that and the other.

"But ultimately I've worked hard to be in this position and I deserve every minute of what I've been through this last week or so, especially after sitting at home last year and watching it on the telly. There's one reason why I'm in this position and that's because I've worked hard and I shouldn't have to justify all that other stuff which we spoke about the other day to certain parts of the world.

"I'm tested by the UCI God knows how many times a year, God knows how many times on this race and the Dauphine. Blood tested in the morning. What more can I do? Other than that? I don't know. I'd love to know. I'm only human at the end of the day. I'm not this robot. I'm just a kid from London who happened to be good at cycling, made it here.

"I make mistakes in my life, I swear, I'm not this fantastic role model that everyone wants me to be. I am good at riding my bike and performing on my bike. Other than that, sitting up here, answering all these questions every day, trying to be articulate about it. I don't know what else I can do, other than that."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-rider-that-s-come-from-nowhere.html#comments

I state this again: in that whole "justification" rant, did anybody notice that he did not once say he's clean?

 

[Montanus]

finally a rivalry in cycling,finally!

According to Nibali, Wiggins taunted him at the finish. He turned, looked him in the face and waved as if to remind Nibali of his presence.

wiggo!!

Haha, this is Nibali playing mindgames. He knows Wiggins is under a lot of pressure already since his outburst the other day. Nibali adding to the pressure. Nibali started the mindgames a couple of days ago:

In Saturday morning’s LÉquipe, Nibali was afforded a full-page splash in which he declared "Wiggins doesn’t impress me." Asked if he had revised his opinion after spending the afternoon at such close quarters to the Englishman, Nibali allowed himself a smile.

"My impression was that the strongest acceleration came from Froome and not from Wiggins," he said.

Nibali couldn't hold Wiggins wheel on the steep section in the final. But saying Wiggo impressed? Never. Nibali will never boost Wiggins confidence. He will only try to undermine it and also increase the pressure on Wiggins. Hannibali!

 

[Richeypen]

I state this again: in that whole "justification" rant, did anybody notice that he did not once say he's clean?

Go back to the clinic

 

[rhubroma]

Go back to the clinic

Go back to realty.

 

[Machu Picchu]

I state this again: in that whole "justification" rant, did anybody notice that he did not once say he's clean?

Yeah, I have to say that it's really nice to see a tour de France GC leader answering reasonable questions on doping eloquently rather than just being bullish about it like say, Lance.

 

[webvan]

Haha, this is Nibali playing mindgames. [...]

Nibali couldn't hold Wiggins wheel on the steep section in the final. But saying Wiggo impressed? Never. Nibali will never boost Wiggins confidence. He will only try to undermine it and also increase the pressure on Wiggins. Hannibali!

Good point, wonder what he'll come up with when he gets dropped again on La Toussuire..."break was rubbing". All this trash talk is going to give Wiggo extra motivation to stamp his authority on the race...

 

[johnnycash]

Doping in clinic.

On a personal level I'm not all that keen on Wiggo but if people are talking about respect for the jersey, the race and other competitors then the preparation Sky have done, the preparation and commitment to the Tour is second to none, it shows how much they respect it.

Nibali's whinging muct be music to Wiggos ears, he knows that the more frustratesd and despeate Nibs gets, the less dangerous he is. If people weren't frsutrated abotu Team Sky, then there would be cause for concern. Cadel has the right attitude.

I think Wiggins' 'look' at Nibali was along the lines of 'come on, you're not going to hurt us with a single solo desperate attack on the descent where everyone knew you'd go'.

 

[Machu Picchu]

Nibali's whinging muct be music to Wiggos ears, he knows that the more frustratesd and despeate Nibs gets, the less dangerous he is. If people weren't frsutrated abotu Team Sky, then there would be cause for concern. Cadel has the right attitude.

I think Wiggins' 'look' at Nibali was along the lines of 'come on, you're not going to hurt us with a single solo desperate attack on the descent where everyone knew you'd go'.

Nibali is sitting in 4th place and trying his hardest to gain back time so yeah maybe he has a little whinge, then we have Wiggins* in yellow by a good margin, should be feeling confident but instead he’s whinging as well!

Btw, usually the ‘look’ is given before the rider goes on the attack, not after he’s had his team do all the work and drag him to the finish.

 

[johnnycash]

True, although that Lance 'look' is a myth. But we haven't actually seen Wiggins attack yet, he may not need to. He seems very concious of not burning his team out if its not needed. He also seems willign to let go of yellow only to regain it in the ITT. If BMC and Liquigas don't get a serious challenge sorted today though, I think the only thing that can stop Sky is a crash or illness.

If Nibali doesn't take time on Wiggins today, is he out?

 

[D Avoid]

Why Cross the road inch Ted of climbing the mountain!!

In England they have a word for everything, "spiv" is one of these specialist words and only describes one type of man. It refers to the dishonestly acquiring something that is belonging to another and then selling it on as your own, it is usually accompanied by a very fowl mouth and Chiggins would do well to check his half dozen before faking an omolote. The laying may be the difficult, painful part, but incubation takes a lot of patience, with the wrong food possibly leading to mutation with a war like feathering of words that is a not comfortable to sleep on!!

 

[D Avoid]

What foul mouth on Wiggins! Surprised by his lack of professionalism in the media. He is an intellent guy and can be well spoken but why such filthy language. Betting against him now.. .. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHmhgjL2pc

 

[cineteq]

Nibali's whinging muct be music to Wiggos ears, he knows that the more frustratesd and despeate Nibs gets, the less dangerous he is. If people weren't frsutrated abotu Team Sky, then there would be cause for concern. Cadel has the right attitude.

It's quite the opposite, Wiggins is very fragile and an insecure person. Yesterday's bullying at Nibbs was a good indication he's really stressed. Sooner or later he's going to crack.

 

[johnnycash]

It's quite the opposite, Wiggins is very fragile and an insecure person. Yesterday's bullying at Nibbs was a good indication he's really stressed. Sooner or later he's going to crack.

We'll see. He'd better 'crack' soon, i.e. today, as Nibs and Co are fast runnign out of stages to do anything. My money is on on Wiggo to bring it home now. I just don't think there are any riders or teams strong enough this year to really hurt him or Sky.

 

[webvan]

Liqui is certainly the strongest on paper, they should use Szmydt and Basso to the max, I mean Basso's been useless up to now, you have to wonder why he bothered racing the TDF...

 

[tdfChamp]

Yesterday's bullying at Nibbs was a good indication he's really stressed. Sooner or later he's going to crack.

Lmao. Nibali and Evans will crack way before Wiggo does...today will be the first reason why

 

[Silverfox86]

I'm Australian, and a wiggo fan.. Have been for a long time. Brad and Cadel are the winners of a new era in clean tour history. The only riders since some time in the early 80s (maybe ever) who are honest winners! Brad will win by 4+ minutes.

 

[Machu Picchu]

I'm Australian, and a wiggo fan.. Have been for a long time. Brad and Cadel are the winners of a new era in clean tour history. The only riders since some time in the early 80s (maybe ever) who are honest winners! Brad will win by 4+ minutes.

Brad/clean/win by 4+ minutes = clinic (as in, take it to)

 

[Angliru]

I'm Australian, and a wiggo fan.. Have been for a long time. Brad and Cadel are the winners of a new era in clean tour history. The only riders since some time in the early 80s (maybe ever) who are honest winners! Brad will win by 4+ minutes.

If I'm not mistaken, Brad hasn't won the Tour yet.

 

[Forunculo]

I'm Australian, and a wiggo fan.. Have been for a long time. Brad and Cadel are the winners of a new era in clean tour history. The only riders since some time in the early 80s (maybe ever) who are honest winners! Brad will win by 4+ minutes.

What a lovely post. Even think Sky becoming not just the team of GB but the Commonwealth's team

 

[Dewulf]

I never really paid much attention to Wiggins prior to this year, at least not his personality. Has he always been this much of a jerk, or is it just now that he's in yellow he thinks he's a big dog and can treat people poorly? It's getting a little out of hand now I think.

Nah, he's been like this for a while. A couple of years ago Wiggins was here in Aus to ride the Herald-Sun tour, and in pre-race interviews he totally trashed the TdU, saying he was riding was the 'real' race and the TdU was %^*$.

To me, it just came across as insecurity and sour grapes that he wasn't riding the better-known race with all the big pros. And he didn't know how to deal with that, especially when talking about the race with the media. It showed a pretty negative attitude, and a pointless one at that.

How ironic that while I used to think VERY little of Cav for basically the same kind of thing, it seems lately he's really really matured....and then along comes I-have-a-massive-chip-on-my-shoulder Wiggins, lol. I wonder if it's partly caused by the British class system?

 

[oldcrank]

Wiggins is very fragile and an insecure person

Yes those are the qualities of a man that has won six medals
in the last three Olympics (including three golds), set World
and Olympic records, won seven World Championship titles,
and already this year won the Paris-Nice; the Tour de Romandie;
and the Criterium du Dauphine. Yes fragile and insecure
Some real ******** on these forums sometimes.

 

[oldcrank]

Wiggins is very fragile and an insecure person

Yes those are the qualities of a man that has won six medals
in the last three Olympics (including three golds), set World
and Olympic records, won seven World Championship titles,
and already this year won the Paris-Nice; the Tour de Romandie;
and the Criterium du Dauphine. Yes fragile and insecure.
Some real intelligence on these forums sometimes.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes those are the qualities of a man that has won six medals
in the last three Olympics (including three golds), set World
and Olympic records, won seven World Championship titles,
and already this year won the Paris-Nice; the Tour de Romandie;
and the Criterium du Dauphine. Yes fragile and insecure
Some real ******** on these forums sometimes.

Olympic track medals= commonwealth medals

And yes, he's fragile and insecure. Also has/had a drinking problem which was likely caused by these character flaws.