Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[RichWalk]

Rupert Murdoch's never going to know though is he unless someone gets caught. And presumably the intention of dopers is to evade detection.

Based on his 'admissions' involving the phone hacking scandal, we could assume he still believes the world to be flat

 

[johnnycash]

Call me naive but I'm convinced Sky at the tour were 100% clean.

the reason the peloton couldn't muster any kind of challenge at the tour was simply because Sky were too good. But who actually posed any threat? cadel was off-form, Liquigas were decent but couldn't really help Nibs out in the big hills and they had an eye on green so who else was there?

if AC and an on-form Schleck powered RSNT were there, we wouldn't be talking about Skys domination, but perhaps still Wiggins' win.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So Bertie doped, you did not support it, yet conveniently did not care about it either because it brought excitement.

So what if Froome was doped and Contador not, but bringing excitement, would you still not care?

Last time I checked doping directly affects other people too, that's why I care about it

Yes But I am not sure Alberto doped.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Florecita, I don't believe that you don't care about doping in cycling. If you are a cyclist we all care, as it has the potential to destroy the professional sport. Look at the prize money for the tour. 1st place for probably the most physically demanding race in any sport in the world, and they get 400K euro. Premier league footballers get almost that in one week, for at most 90mins of sport.

What I believe is that you have invested emotionally in one athelete and when he was caught, its easier for you to shrug it off as if you don't care rather than state the facts, he cheated. If AC was clean, and his closest rival got caught, I suspect your views would be different. Although in fairness to you, your sig does disclaim a slight bias.

Okay you don't have to believe me. But know that what are facts in your mind, aren't facts in mine. Why should I "state the facts" when they aren't necessarily facts for me? And no if Alberto's closest rival got caught my views would not be different because I can't be 100% certain Alberto is clean just like you can't be 100% certain he doped.

But you say you want excitement in cycling. Presumeably the way AC races. I do too, but if every result has an asterix by it in your mind as you think it may not actually be true, whats the point?

They don't have an asterix in my mind

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Overreacting much

Noddy69 was reacting in a completely proportionate manner. If you don't mind doping in cycling then that's cool, your chioce, but there's no denying that there have been deaths directly and indirectly from PEDs and careers have been ruined.

You're acting like someone who tries to wind people up and then gets all high-horse when they get wound up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Noddy69 was reacting in a completely proportionate manner. If you don't mind doping in cycling then that's cool, your chioce, but there's no denying that there have been deaths directly and indirectly from PEDs and careers have been ruined.

So what? It's not my fault. It's their own choice nobody's forcing them.

 

[wannab]

So what? It's not my fault. It's their own choice nobody's forcing them.

That's why I responded with

"Last time I checked doping directly affects other people too, that's why I care about it"


Your being ignorant if you think it's only a choice to make or not, NO-ONE should be put in front of that position to make that choice it the first place!

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's why I responded with

"Last time I checked doping directly affects other people too, that's why I care about it"


Your being ignorant if you think it's only a choice to make or not, NO-ONE should be put in front of that position to make that choice it the first place!

Okay stop yelling against me there's nothing I can do about it

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Back to my first points then. You dont care about those cheated of success or those who feel they have to dope and pay with their lives. You dont care that people are cheating others out of a career. Its not over reacting its just plain fact that these things are happening and have happened.

All because you want excitement.......reality check, racing was exciting before the wonder drugs came in. All they did was mean that clean riders could no longer compete. So by following exciting cycling for your pleasure your just following the lie that the dopers have managed to conjure up.

Thank you, couldn't have said it better.

If you say so.

Ssssssssssh, go watch Big Brother, that's also nice if you like $hit.

One crazy chick, sorry.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Call me naive but I'm convinced Sky at the tour were 100% clean.

Yes But I am not sure Alberto doped.

Ahahahahaha fanboys (and fangirls) rule.


Who else could look at a duck and say "it looks like a pretty flower to me"?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ahahahahaha fanboys (and fangirls) rule.


Who else could look at a duck and say "it looks like a pretty flower to me"?

Okay maybe I am the only person on this forum who actually thinks Alberto could be innocent, so what?! I don't understand why it bothers everyone so much.

And why is it impossible for you all to understand what I am saying, it isn't that hard! Let me explain it once again.

I like Alberto. You all don't understand how I can like a "cheat". And my explanation is "I don't care if he doped I like him for other reasons!!!!" For example because he is exciting to watch because he always attacks, because of his obvious talent, because of his personality and so on! Why are you making such a big deal out of nothing?! I'm not saying they should all dope because that makes cycling more exciting for me. That's just twisting my words and putting them back into my mouth.

 

[hrotha]

I like Alberto. You all don't understand how I can like a "cheat". And my explanation is "I don't care if he doped I like him for other reasons!!!!" For example because he is exciting to watch because he always attacks, because of his obvious talent, because of his personality and so on!

Then I don't understand why you just don't admit he's 100% a doper and be done with it. The reasons why you like him will not be affected by acknowledging that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Then I don't understand why you just don't admit he's 100% a doper and be done with it. The reasons why you like him will not be affected by acknowledging that.

If I'd say that it would not be admitting, because I simply don't know if it's true.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If I'd say "I believe Alberto is a doper" I'd be lying to myself and to everyone else.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Then I don't understand why you just don't admit he's 100% a doper and be done with it. The reasons why you like him will not be affected by acknowledging that.

And this holds the truth.

"The reasons why I like him will not be affected by him being a doper or not."

 

[Runitout]

And this holds the truth.

"The reasons why I like him will not be affected by him being a doper or not."

Of course he's a doper. He's also the most entertaining GC rider on the planet. It's okay holding both thoughts at once. The first is a fact, and the second may be subjective, but is also undeniable.

I understand that you don't believe he dopes, but not the reasons why. Anyone who rode for Liberty Seguros while they had a team doping programme, Discovery while they also had the same, Astana at the time of the transfusion kit debacle, all while beating GC riders who were caught on EPO, CERA and blood doping, is pretty well marked before they are caught red handed, as he was.

Doesn't stop him being a nice bloke or a stunning talent.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Of course he's a doper. He's also the most entertaining GC rider on the planet. It's okay holding both thoughts at once. The first is a fact, and the second may be subjective, but is also undeniable.

And what are you trying to say with this?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Of course he's a doper. He's also the most entertaining GC rider on the planet. It's okay holding both thoughts at once. The first is a fact, and the second may be subjective, but is also undeniable.

I understand that you don't believe he dopes, but not the reasons why. Anyone who rode for Liberty Seguros while they had a team doping programme, Discovery while they also had the same, Astana at the time of the transfusion kit debacle, all while beating GC riders who were caught on EPO, CERA and blood doping, is pretty well marked before they are caught red handed, as he was.

Doesn't stop him being a nice bloke or a stunning talent.

You don't understand the reasons why? I'll explain it once again. I don't know if he dopes, so I have to believe something, namely I believe that he's a doper or I believe he isn't. And because I have to choose anyway, I choose to believe Alberto because I want to believe he's innocent because I want him to be innocent. But then again if he admits to doping at a certain point then so be it. It won't keep me awake at night.

 

[Cavalier]

He just served a two year suspension, what more do you need.

FWIW, my idol was and still is Ullrich. Loved the guy. Chronic doper though. Doesn't diminish him for me, but I can certainly admit and accept it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He just served a two year suspension, what more do you need.

FWIW, my idol was and still is Ullrich. Loved the guy. Chronic doper though. Doesn't diminish him for me, but I can certainly admit and accept it.

Yeah, Alberto is a dirty cheat.

 

[ebandit]

ha Ha!

one thing I don't get is that many observers including Carlton Kirby on Eurosport think that Alberto got off lightly Only having to Sit Out for 6 Months

They seem to Forget the TDF Win etc that He had to give up

a Win He had to 'Bust a Gut' to Achieve

 

[RichWalk]

one thing I don't get is that many observers including Carlton Kirby on Eurosport think that Alberto got off lightly Only having to Sit Out for 6 Months

They seem to Forget the TDF Win etc that He had to give up

a Win He had to 'Bust a Gut' to Achieve

Or the 2011 Giro, which he won by over 6 mins, considered by many to be the hardest Giro ever..............

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Yeah, Alberto is a dirty cheat.

I thought you liked the guy? Love is fickle I guess...

 

[LaFlorecita]

I thought you liked the guy? Love is fickle I guess...

Nah not really, who'd like a cheat?

 

[Runitout]

And what are you trying to say with this?

I would have thought it's pretty straightforward. I haven't used any complicated words.