Will R.Gesink ever win a GT?

[iZnoGouD]

If he goes to sky yes

 

[maltiv]

If he goes to sky yes

But that counts for 50% of the peloton. Even Machado.

 

[offbyone]

His progress seems to have stagnated for a while, but I must say I was rather impressed by his TT. Unless my memory is bad he can usually be counted on to lose significant time on a TT. This would represent some marked improvement and hope.

 

[SafeBet]

But that counts for 50% of the peloton. Even Machado.

Now that's a bit of a stretch.

 

[Der Effe]

His progress seems to have stagnated for a while, but I must say I was rather impressed by his TT. Unless my memory is bad he can usually be counted on to lose significant time on a TT. This would represent some marked improvement and hope.

His TT has been pretty decent for quite some time now. Only problem is that his climbing is getting worse and worse. Like suggested above, leave Blanco asap. Same for Mollema, Boom and Kelderman but that's a different story. A different environment will do them all good.

 

[Parrulo]

To think that some *cough* DT *cough* used to think he was much better then Nibali

I voted no on this poll but i thought he could be back to his 09 level which was good enough to top 3/5 on any GT and give us some excitement in the mountains . Unfortunately this days i don't think that anymore and the way things are going a invisible top 10 is all he can get

 

[Panda Claws]

JVDB will annihilate this guy any day of the week.

 

[Pentacycle]

JVDB will annihilate this guy any day of the week.

What's the point of bringing JVDB into this discussion?

 

[Panda Claws]

We are discussing if he will ever win a GT and I presented an argument to the contrary.

 

[Pentacycle]

We are discussing if he will ever win a GT and I presented an argument to the contrary.

Both will never win a GT, under normal circumstances.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

To think that some *cough* DT *cough* used to think he was much better then Nibali

I voted no on this poll but i thought he could be back to his 09 level which was good enough to top 3/5 on any GT and give us some excitement in the mountains . Unfortunately this days i don't think that anymore and the way things are going a invisible top 10 is all he can get

Gesink WAS much better than Nibali early in his career. It's a simple FACT that can be proven by NUMBERS and RESULTS and DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS in his early years. So f.ck off (and Nibali was already longer pro and 2 years older too...)

You can't predict a rider stagnating by huge amounts of bull**** bad luck

 

[Netserk]

When you say early in his career do you mean 2008?

I'd say that they were equal in '09, and Nibali stronger in '10.

 

[hfer07]

Gesink WAS much better than Nibali early in his career. It's a simple FACT that can be proven by NUMBERS and RESULTS and DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS in his early years. So f.ck off (and Nibali was already longer pro and 2 years older too...)

You can't predict a rider stagnating by huge amounts of bull**** bad luck

I had sincere good expectations of Gesink back in the day when he was giving Valverde a hard time during the 09 Vuelta & seemed to have the skills to glow-but then he just.... faded?
Can he even try to win P-R or Tirreno or some week long race-at least?

 

[Parrulo]

Gesink WAS much better than Nibali early in his career. It's a simple FACT that can be proven by NUMBERS and RESULTS and DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS in his early years. So f.ck off (and Nibali was already longer pro and 2 years older too...)

You can't predict a rider stagnating by huge amounts of bull**** bad luck

First off drop the rude talk because no one here is impressed by it.

Anyway this discussions i was talking about are from 2010/2011 when Nibali already had a Vuelta win and 1/2 Giro podiums to his name so the fact is that at the time Nibali was already better than Gesink.

Oh and Nibali is only 1 year and a half older then Gesink, not 2, and guess what, at gesink currents age Nibali already had a much better palmares than Gesink has at the moment.

And before you pull the luck card, i would say that being able to ride a bike might be even more important then pushing impressive numbers on a lab.

 

[Kokoso]

Gesink WAS much better than Nibali early in his career. It's a simple FACT that can be proven by NUMBERS and RESULTS and DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS in his early years. So f.ck off (and Nibali was already longer pro and 2 years older too...)

You can't predict a rider stagnating by huge amounts of bull**** bad luck

Last Vuelta he finished 6th. What bad luck has he had since? Now at Giro he's where he's.

 

[iZnoGouD]

He needs o learn how to train
The problem with some people is that they get to a point and they think they know everything, that they're doing everything perfect. Wrong

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

First off drop the rude talk because no one here is impressed by it.

Anyway this discussions i was talking about are from 2010/2011 when Nibali already had a Vuelta win and 1/2 Giro podiums to his name so the fact is that at the time Nibali was already better than Gesink.

Oh and Nibali is only 1 year and a half older then Gesink, not 2, and guess what, at gesink currents age Nibali already had a much better palmares than Gesink has at the moment.

And before you pull the luck card, i would say that being able to ride a bike might be even more important then pushing impressive numbers on a lab.

I disagreed then and I disagree now but we're not going to relive that period. Till 2010, even when Nibali won the Vuelta, I'm convinced Gesink was better. Starting from 2011 it's not anymore the case

 

[theyoungest]

When you say early in his career do you mean 2008?

I'd say that they were equal in '09, and Nibali stronger in '10.

I remember the Dauphine '09, where they were both in decent form, and Gesink was simply way better. On the longer climbs Nibali was no competition. 2010 is difficult to say, that Vuelta win still doesn't seem that impressive to me, given the competition. Gesink got 6th (5th) in the Tour, with a much stronger field.

Now the comparison is an easy target for trolls, because indeed it is ridiculous. Nibali is two levels above Gesink.

I disagreed then and I disagree now but we're not going to relive that period. Till 2010, even when Nibali won the Vuelta, I'm convinced Gesink was better. Starting from 2011 it's not anymore the case

Even in 2011, if you take the Tirreno, a totally unmotivated Gesink still crushed Nibali. Since then Nibali has taken a massive leap forward (and the contrary for Gesink).

 

[Kokoso]

I disagreed then and I disagree now but we're not going to relive that period. Till 2010, even when Nibali won the Vuelta, I'm convinced Gesink was better. Starting from 2011 it's not anymore the case

I'm going to repeat my question - what bad luck has he had since last Vuelta? No bad luck and still he isn't performing at the Giro. So don't tell that it's becuase of bad luck. There must be other reasons why he isn't performing.

 

[hidache]

I'm going to repeat my question - what bad luck has he had since last Vuelta? No bad luck and still he isn't performing at the Giro. So don't tell that it's becuase of bad luck. There must be other reasons why he isn't performing.

He said he couldn't handle the cold weather last weekend. So his bad performance saturday wasn't really (a lack of) form related. He has always liked the sunny weather better. This isn't an excuse, because if you want to podium you'll have to perform in any weather condition, but form-wise it didn't tell us that much.

 

[melkemugg]

Gesink will win the tour next year.

 

[Parrulo]

I remember the Dauphine '09, where they were both in decent form, and Gesink was simply way better. On the longer climbs Nibali was no competition. 2010 is difficult to say, that Vuelta win still doesn't seem that impressive to me, given the competition. Gesink got 6th (5th) in the Tour, with a much stronger field.

Now the comparison is an easy target for trolls, because indeed it is ridiculous. Nibali is two levels above Gesink.


Even in 2011, if you take the Tirreno, a totally unmotivated Gesink still crushed Nibali. Since then Nibali has taken a massive leap forward (and the contrary for Gesink).

Nibali's 09 tour was more impressive then Gesinks 2010 tour. Without the time lost during the team time trial, which was not his fault unlike all of Gesinks crashes, he would have been around 30 seconds to 1 minute away from the podium. Not 5 minutes away from the 4th placed rider with VDB2 in between like Gesink.

And Nibali's 2010 Giro was more impressive then anything Gesink has ever done, even the 09 vuelta.

 

[theyoungest]

Nibali's 09 tour was more impressive then Gesinks 2010 tour. Without the time lost during the team time trial, which was not his fault unlike all of Gesinks crashes, he would have been around 30 seconds to 1 minute away from the podium. Not 5 minutes away from the 4th placed rider with VDB2 in between like Gesink.

I guess we don't agree on that one. The Tour 2009 was a joke.

But again, it's a useless discussion. Right now Nibali is one of the best GT riders in the world. Gesink is a domestique at best, next year maybe domestique for Nibali?

 

[movingtarget]

It's getting harder and harder to support Gesink as far as possibly winning a grand tour. I thought his ride in the Vuelta was ok and after the first week of the Giro he was looking good but he just does not seem to have the character to hold it together for three weeks and the fact that his best result was a long time ago now in the Tour, makes me doubt that he will win a grand tour with so many other good young riders coming through like the Colombians, some of the French riders and even Talansky and Van Garderen also Majka and others. Then again I never would have picked Cobo, Hesjedal or Wiggins to win a grand tour either based on their results in previous years. A year can be a long time in sport.

 

[Kokoso]

He said he couldn't handle the cold weather last weekend. So his bad performance saturday wasn't really (a lack of) form related. He has always liked the sunny weather better. This isn't an excuse, because if you want to podium you'll have to perform in any weather condition, but form-wise it didn't tell us that much.

I've hard time to byu this. He's from Holland, so he knows how cold weather looks like. He's riding in Europe for years. Even Colombians (where I believe wather is really hot generally) are able to cope with these conditions and they are racing here for few years.