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Alphabet said:Oh God. Not this again.
I don't care if he had a full blown hurricane behind him, the fact of the matter is, he shredded the entire field showing as much fatigue as a gorilla crushing an aluminium can.
Where was the DEFCON 5 1000km/hr windstorm helping Contador and the others?
Netserk said:How was the wind direction on Ventoux in 2000 and 2002 (and 2009)?
2002 more or less the same above the treeline, with a clear TAILWIND the last kilometres. Source? My own video collection.Netserk said:How was the wind direction on Ventoux in 2000 and 2002 (and 2009)?
Alphabet said:Oh God. Not this again.
I don't care if he had a full blown hurricane behind him, the fact of the matter is, he shredded the entire field showing as much fatigue as a gorilla crushing an aluminium can.
Where was the Cat 5 1000km/hr windstorm helping Contador and the others?
Race Radio said:Absolutely
and the tailwind on the mountain helped the times on Ventoux....
Alphabet said:Oh God. Not this again.
I don't care if he had a full blown hurricane behind him, the fact of the matter is, he shredded the entire field showing as much fatigue as a gorilla crushing an aluminium can.
Where was the Cat 5 1000km/hr windstorm helping Contador and the others?
So times should be slower this year than 2002?Fearless Greg Lemond said:2002 more or less the same above the treeline, with a clear TAILWIND the last kilometres. Source? My own video collection.
But hey, we are all imaganing those things.
2000?
Big HEADwind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-Oql3qMNOqo#t=1128
thehog said:I think it's described like this:
Apparently the tailwind followed Froome the whole way up. On each turn.
When you really want it to be a tailwind. It will be a tailwind.
It keeps you from looking what's underneath.
Race Radio said:While I applaud everyone attempts to find parts of the course with a headwind it does not change the fact that 80% of the 21 km climb had a tailwind. As the route changes direction past CR this same wind hit the riders largely from the side.
Pointing out this very obvious fact does not mean I am employed by Sky, trying to Protect Walsh, Froome, or anyone else it just means I can read a map and watch a video.
poupou said:Probably that is tailwind through the forest, but trees limit drastically its effect, and that is more usefull for the riders ending the pack.
I have not checked it but I have read somewhere that Froome had been one of the fastest for the last km. So even if the wind were a bit helpfull, that brings a lot of questions about his cleanless.
Maybe we should, as we have done for the famous fastest ITT of Lemond, compare the last km of many riders. If all are "faster" than usual that could mean that they had all benefited from tailwind.
-MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)
----TOP 50 LIST
-1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
-2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
-3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
-4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
-5. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
-6. Marco Pantani ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
-7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
-8. Frank Schleck ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009
-9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009
11. Franco Pellizotti ____ ITA | 49:15 | 2009
12. Vincenzo Nibali ______ ITA | 49:17 | 2009
13. Bradley Wiggins ______ GBR | 49:22 | 2009
14. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 49:26 | 2000
15. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 49:30 | 2000
16. Raimondas Rumsas _____ LTU | 49:49 | 2002
17. Roberto Heras ________ ESP | 49:49 | 2000
18. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 49:52 | 2002
19. Mikel Nieve __________ ESP | 49:58 | 2013
20. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 49:58 | 2013
21. Jurgen van den Broeck_ BEL | 49:58 | 2009
22. Andreaas Klöden ______ GER | 50:01 | 2009
23. Francisco Mancebo ____ ESP | 50:04 | 2002
24. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 50:15 | 2013
25. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 50:15 | 2013
26. Jakob Fuglsang _______ DEN | 50:18 | 2013
27. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 50:18 | 2002
28. Richard Virenque _____ FRA | 50:18 | 2000
29. Nauke Mollema ________ NED | 50:21 | 2013
30. Francisco Mancebo ____ ESP | 50:24 | 2000
31. Laurens Ten Dam ______ NED | 50:28 | 2013
32. Manuel Beltran _______ ESP | 50:30 | 2000
33. Christophe Moreau ____ FRA | 50:32 | 2000
34. Santiago Botero ______ COL | 50:34 | 2000
35. Kurt van de Wouwer ___ BEL | 50:37 | 2000
36. Levi Leipheimer ______ USA | 50:38 | 2002
37. Jean-Christophe Peraud FRA | 50:43 | 2013
38. Christophe Le Mevel __ FRA | 50:45 | 2009
39. Bart de Clercq _______ BEL | 50:47 | 2013
40. Christian Vandevelde__ USA | 50:53 | 2009
41. Jose Azevedo _________ POR | 50:58 | 2002
42. Michael Rogers _______ AUS | 51:01 | 2013
43. Laurent Jalabert _____ FRA | 51:02 | 2000
44. Mikel Astarloza ______ ESP | 51:03 | 2009
45. Alejandro Valverde ___ ESP | 51:07 | 2013
46. Dan Martin ___________ IRL | 51:11 | 2013
47. Daniele Nardello _____ ITA | 51:17 | 2000
48. Richie Porte _________ AUS | 51:24 | 2013
49. Daniel Atienza _______ ESP | 51:27 | 2000
50. Sylvain Calzati ______ FRA | 51:34 | 2009
50. Luis Leon Sanchez ____ ESP | 51:34 | 2009
the sceptic said:you would think that if everyone was getting pushed up by a vortex that there would be more riders from 2013 higher on the list.
Benotti69 said:Whatever the wind. Froome destroyed everyone all riding in the same wind conditions as Froome.
the sceptic said:you would think that if everyone was getting pushed up by a vortex that there would be more riders from 2013 higher on the list.
Race Radio said:9 of 31 times were done in 2013. Given the history of the climb, and the sport, that is significant amount
This is pretty bad, I hope you get good money out of your scandalous lying. [edit: the bold part]Race Radio said:While I applaud everyone attempts to find parts of the course with a headwind it does not change the fact that 80% of the 21 km climb had a tailwind. As the route changes direction past CR this same wind hit the riders largely from the side.
Pointing out this very obvious fact does not mean I am employed by Sky, trying to Protect Walsh, Froome, or anyone else it just means I can read a map and watch a video.
That is open for interpretation but in my world blooddopers will be significantly faster than clean athletes.So times should be slower this year than 2002?
Fearless Greg Lemond said:This is pretty bad, I hope you get good money out of your scandalous lying. [edit: the bold part]
Good thing you did the same thing with Hesjedal last year on Pampeago.
Must be hanging on JV's bike too much. In the Giro you will get disqualified for that, you should know. Otherwise ask the bestfriend of your lunchbuddy
That is open for interpretation but in my world blooddopers will be significantly faster than clean athletes.
And, do note the tailwinds for Armstrong and the 1994 stage.
Why was Contador so much slower this year than in 2009? Bet he missed a couple pints of blood.