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Next thing you know coppehead is going to be supporting the russians on this.ToreBear said:
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Yes it always was. It was only a question if the Ukrainians could be uncorrupt enough to be transferred the money.
aphronesis said:
Yes it always was. It was only a question if the Ukrainians could be uncorrupt enough to be transferred the money.
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It would surprise me. Since logic dictates he should avoid being perceived to be following the Russian agenda. Then again, applying logic to predict Trumps behavior has so far been a major fail. At least the way I understand logic.
Semper Fidelis said:
It would surprise me. Since logic dictates he should avoid being perceived to be following the Russian agenda. Then again, applying logic to predict Trumps behavior has so far been a major fail. At least the way I understand logic.
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....yeah and Ali is such an unimpeachable source and such a genuine pleasure to be around unless of you are an infidel and he is chopping of your head, or burning you alive, or ripping out your liver and eating it while you are writhing on the ground....
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djpbaltimore said:
....yeah and Ali is such an unimpeachable source and such a genuine pleasure to be around unless of you are an infidel and he is chopping of your head, or burning you alive, or ripping out your liver and eating it while you are writhing on the ground....
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The Russian response to the attack is just trolling.
'Rebels hit a stockpile of chemical weapons'. That's the best they could come up with. Never mind that sarin is stocked in a different form and is destroyed when bombed. F***heads.
'Rebels hit a stockpile of chemical weapons'. That's the best they could come up with. Never mind that sarin is stocked in a different form and is destroyed when bombed. F***heads.
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I think their propaganda department is in a different building than the technical department. That means someone has to walk there and find out if their latest propaganda talking point is technically possible. My theory is that somewhere on the way there is a bar with Vodka.
Jagartrott said:
I think their propaganda department is in a different building than the technical department. That means someone has to walk there and find out if their latest propaganda talking point is technically possible. My theory is that somewhere on the way there is a bar with Vodka.
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But sure the russians are in on this as much as they wrote all those emails for the DNC folks.
I have not seen the distinction. Must read more.Beech Mtn said:
But sure the russians are in on this as much as they wrote all those emails for the DNC folks.
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Sarinish. It was a nerve agent, Sarin is one of several types of nerve agent:
Chlorine would AFAIK present different symptomes and there wouldn't be that many dead.
Beech Mtn said:
Sarinish. It was a nerve agent, Sarin is one of several types of nerve agent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin
Chlorine would AFAIK present different symptomes and there wouldn't be that many dead.
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They should have passed out some MARK I Kit's to the citizens instead of arming the "rebels"
Yeah seems so.ToreBear said:
They should have passed out some MARK I Kit's to the citizens instead of arming the "rebels"
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The IMF is going round saying who is too corrupt. This is an institution which is effectively controlled by corporations and their interests - but this is 'networking' and 'consultancy', not corruption.
Not to mention Lagarde's $400 million fraud case. Or their apparent lack of care over tax havens (until a year or so ago when they noticed it wasn't politically viable anymore to not care). There are many more which other more intelligent and well versed people than me have gone into much better detail about in several publications.
Like aphronesis said, good corruption and bad corruption.
ToreBear said:
The IMF is going round saying who is too corrupt. This is an institution which is effectively controlled by corporations and their interests - but this is 'networking' and 'consultancy', not corruption.
Not to mention Lagarde's $400 million fraud case. Or their apparent lack of care over tax havens (until a year or so ago when they noticed it wasn't politically viable anymore to not care). There are many more which other more intelligent and well versed people than me have gone into much better detail about in several publications.
Like aphronesis said, good corruption and bad corruption.
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....I'm thinking since they're Russians probably both....you know just to cover all the bases....
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Beech Mtn said:
....I'm thinking since they're Russians probably both....you know just to cover all the bases....
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....funny though how these guys alternate btwn being the scourge of Western civilization and the most trusted source of information on the planet....
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....freedom fighters writes nicer....much easier to sell than rebels or lung eaters....though they really should cut back on their beheading schtick which doesn't play that well on the evening news eh....and oh yeah, wear white hats and pledge their allegiance to their close personal friend John McCain at every opportunity....
....funny though how these guys alternate btwn being the scourge of Western civilization and the most trusted source of information on the planet....
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Most of those 'rebels' were women and children sleeping in their beds. Let's not gloss over that salient fact. And for what strategic or tactical gain? Just senseless.
Like the attack in Mosul. War is senseless and usually useless. This one happens to be filled with more atrocities than apparently we had expected.
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....find below something that can be looked at in several ways....the attack comes on the heels of the Tillerson statement and before a major meeting about the future of the Syrian situation....so do the math, and calculate who benefits, and in this case benefits greatly to the point of maybe changing Tillerson's position or "helping" him out the door for the position he expressed.....
....and btw just prior to new Syrian peace talks planned for March 14 in Kazakhstan.....odd coincidence eh...
....methinks Rubio blew the narrative that was being built up by shooting his mouth off....
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djpbaltimore said:
....find below something that can be looked at in several ways....the attack comes on the heels of the Tillerson statement and before a major meeting about the future of the Syrian situation....so do the math, and calculate who benefits, and in this case benefits greatly to the point of maybe changing Tillerson's position or "helping" him out the door for the position he expressed.....
....and btw just prior to new Syrian peace talks planned for March 14 in Kazakhstan.....odd coincidence eh...
....methinks Rubio blew the narrative that was being built up by shooting his mouth off....
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....was it chlorine or was it sarin? was a question asked earlier here on this thread....it is also the title of the piece the following was drawn from....
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/this-fishy-smell-of-sarin-or-was-it-chlorine/
....and from the comments section...
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http://www.unz.com/akarlin/this-fishy-smell-of-sarin-or-was-it-chlorine/
....and from the comments section...
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The second comment misunderstands the Geneva Convention and International Law slightly. Killing civilians is a war crime. Doesn't matter who does it. And chemical weapons are less humane than more conventional ones, that's why they are banned. The initial Russian claim of a bomb hitting a warehouse was absolute bs too.
Edit: re why would Assad do it - why did Hitler attack Russia when Britain was getting stronger again? Why did Stalin purge all of his generals and many others, including some extremely loyal to him, when he knew the threat of war was looming? Why did Diem continuously antagonise all of the peasants despite it being against all logic? Because dictators, like Assad, never follow what may seem like the best option all the time. You might reply that Assad is shrewder than the others; Diem I'll grant you but the other two, especially Stalin, often displayed impressive political instinct (Hitler in his negotiations with Chamberlain, Stalin in the leadership battle). Assad will never get the people of Syria to follow him with love and admiration after 2013. Now that he is winning, he is thinking about the future, and how he can retain power. Like Stalin, the answer could be fear.
I am not saying that this is the case, but there are reasons why Assad might have done this. It's also possible that Assad didn't authorise the attack and the air force got too trigger happy. But we need to stop thinking about Assad like we would an average President, because when it comes down to it, Assad is a ruthless dictator. Unfortunately for Syria, it just so happens that the alternatives for the most part are even worse.
Edit: re why would Assad do it - why did Hitler attack Russia when Britain was getting stronger again? Why did Stalin purge all of his generals and many others, including some extremely loyal to him, when he knew the threat of war was looming? Why did Diem continuously antagonise all of the peasants despite it being against all logic? Because dictators, like Assad, never follow what may seem like the best option all the time. You might reply that Assad is shrewder than the others; Diem I'll grant you but the other two, especially Stalin, often displayed impressive political instinct (Hitler in his negotiations with Chamberlain, Stalin in the leadership battle). Assad will never get the people of Syria to follow him with love and admiration after 2013. Now that he is winning, he is thinking about the future, and how he can retain power. Like Stalin, the answer could be fear.
I am not saying that this is the case, but there are reasons why Assad might have done this. It's also possible that Assad didn't authorise the attack and the air force got too trigger happy. But we need to stop thinking about Assad like we would an average President, because when it comes down to it, Assad is a ruthless dictator. Unfortunately for Syria, it just so happens that the alternatives for the most part are even worse.
i am still reading and reflecting on the terrible latest chemical attack in syria...many things just dont make sense :Question:
...if it was assad, i dont see what was the benefit. given the world's outrage he would be in a lose-lose bind either politically or militarily or psychologically. what exactly would he gain by using the chem weapons AFTER publicly being forced to get rid of them ?
...if it was a provocation by one of his generals (or his detractors as pointed above) to derails the political process, then there should be a quick reaction from the sponsors of the political process.
did the russians lose control of the assad hot-heads ? while unlikely, one cant dismiss such a possibility particularly given that the iranians and the russians compete for influence over assad.
...did the russians do it deliberately or by accident ? i know how easy and popular nowadays it is to accuse them, but i still dont see any rationale in in them seeking more beating from the 'international community.
just as i never accepted the DELIBERATE killing of the iraqi civilians by the americans of which we are hearing more and more lately.
the wars in syria and iraq are very ugly. the world war 2 was very-very ugly with its deliberate incineration of the civilians in dresden, stalingrad, tokyo, london, hiroshima etc..
many here or elsewhere who automatically jump to any conclusions should remember the war crimes of their grandfathers then -and even now touted as heroic.
...if it was assad, i dont see what was the benefit. given the world's outrage he would be in a lose-lose bind either politically or militarily or psychologically. what exactly would he gain by using the chem weapons AFTER publicly being forced to get rid of them ?
...if it was a provocation by one of his generals (or his detractors as pointed above) to derails the political process, then there should be a quick reaction from the sponsors of the political process.
did the russians lose control of the assad hot-heads ? while unlikely, one cant dismiss such a possibility particularly given that the iranians and the russians compete for influence over assad.
...did the russians do it deliberately or by accident ? i know how easy and popular nowadays it is to accuse them, but i still dont see any rationale in in them seeking more beating from the 'international community.
just as i never accepted the DELIBERATE killing of the iraqi civilians by the americans of which we are hearing more and more lately.
the wars in syria and iraq are very ugly. the world war 2 was very-very ugly with its deliberate incineration of the civilians in dresden, stalingrad, tokyo, london, hiroshima etc..
many here or elsewhere who automatically jump to any conclusions should remember the war crimes of their grandfathers then -and even now touted as heroic.
This is an easy one. Who has chemical weapons such as chlorine, and who has a history of using them? Russia? Yes, they possess them, but not in Syria as far as I know. And no, they don't use them. Assad? No, he doesn't have any. Remember how Russia negotiated the surrender of all Syrian chemical weapons? And no, despite the hysterical western media, Assad has never used chemical weapons.
The radical head-choppers that have invaded Syria? Why, yes. And yes again.
John Swanson
The radical head-choppers that have invaded Syria? Why, yes. And yes again.
John Swanson
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