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[macbindle]

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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The head of the lab has said that determining the source of the poison was not it's job and that the Russia connection was established by the government using a range of sources.

What were the sources?

This is what you are looking for lupi..I'm sure your source of news, infowars, has it too.

There are certain powerful and influential circles in America which are striving for war with Russia and China and they are doing their best to get this war. This was highly likely done by the CIA. I would bet one to five as Russia has no interest in that at all. Using the similarity to the Litvinenko case, the CIA acted the same way in order to blame Russia. I don’t believe that Russia is responsible for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal. Someone from Russia rightly said that Russia definitely wouldn’t do that in the lead-up to Mundial.

 

[Lupi33x]

Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

Resulting in a war that your boy donnie supported..gotcha...Do ya think GulfWar2 was a good idea?

Bolton, to this day, does..inspite of how it created the Arab spring and ISIL..

 

[macbindle]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

No, the sources are being kept private at the moment, but if you read the article some within the intelligence community are calling for their release, having seen them and been convinced by them. You did read the article didn't you?

Yes, we were hoodwinked by the WMD dossier and that has left us wary, but there is a big difference between this situation and the WMD 'evidence'. This time something has actually happened. There has been an attack. Somebody did it...

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

No, the sources are being kept private at the moment, but if you read the article some within the intelligence community are calling for their release, having seen them and been convinced by them. You did read the article didn't you?

Yes, we were hoodwinked by the WMD dossier and that has left us wary, but there is a big difference between this situation and the WMD 'evidence'. This time something has actually happened. There has been an attack. Somebody did it...

Some allegedly happened and nobody died yet. Why is it so important anyway?
Who cares about double-agents? They're entirely expendable.

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

Resulting in a war that your boy donnie supported..gotcha...Do ya think GulfWar2 was a good idea?

Bolton, to this day, does..inspite of how it created the Arab spring and ISIL..

wrong, no and I don't care about Bolton

 

[macbindle]

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

Resulting in a war that your boy donnie supported..gotcha...Do ya think GulfWar2 was a good idea?

Bolton, to this day, does..inspite of how it created the Arab spring and ISIL..

wrong, no and I don't care about Bolton

There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.

Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.

tricky things, facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

 

[aphronesis]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

No, the sources are being kept private at the moment, but if you read the article some within the intelligence community are calling for their release, having seen them and been convinced by them. You did read the article didn't you?

Yes, we were hoodwinked by the WMD dossier and that has left us wary, but there is a big difference between this situation and the WMD 'evidence'. This time something has actually happened. There has been an attack. Somebody did it...

Some allegedly happened and nobody died yet. Why is it so important anyway?
Who cares about double-agents? They're entirely expendable.

Why do you care then? Why argue with people who want to discuss it. Why not get on with your infinitely more mature and important life?

Busted didn't say you care about Bolton; he asked if you did. Reading skills not top notch are they? You one of those "youtube or it's not real people"? I'm suspecting so.

For the sake of argument, it's not a matter of (strictly) caring about some double agents, but of how 21st century propaganda and geopolitics are being played out. You see the difference maybe?

 

[Lupi33x]

Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Unstated, but the implication is the security services and quite naturally we are unlikely to be given details for reasons of operational integrity.

There is an undoubted politically expedient motive to the UK response to the attack and I recall a source at PD expressing disquiet at the high-level political pressure that was put upon them to confirm it was a poison of Russian origin.

Edit:

Have a read of this,:

UK urged to counter 'disinformation' from Russia over novichok

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/uk-urged-to-counter-disinformation-from-russia-over-novichok?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

so no sources then

reminds me of WMDs in Iraq

Resulting in a war that your boy donnie supported..gotcha...Do ya think GulfWar2 was a good idea?

Bolton, to this day, does..inspite of how it created the Arab spring and ISIL..

wrong, no and I don't care about Bolton

There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.

Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.

tricky things, facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBS7rM9Omq0

Trump wasn't even in government then nor was he any kind of political figure.

 

[macbindle]

Re: Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

A chemical warfare attack on British soil which put British citizens at risk, including hospitalization of a British police officer.

If it doesn't matter neither does 9/11.

 

[aphronesis]

Cleared up that reading/youtube issue pretty quickly.

So a few US citizens died and some buildings went down. What year hasn't the US carried that off abroad?

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

A chemical warfare attack on British soil which put British citizens at risk, including hospitalization of a British police officer.

If it doesn't matter neither does 9/11.

"A chemical warfare attack"? Really?
Nobody died.

A chemical warfare attack would ordinarily wipe out an entire block.

Get some perspective instead of being swept up in hyperventilating hysterical propaganda.

 

[macbindle]

Gotcha. So if I spray machine gun fire into a restaurant hitting 50 people, all of whom are hospitalised, it isn't actually an attack until somebody dies.

Got it.

 

[Lupi33x]

Re:

Gotcha. So if I spray machine gun fire into a restaurant hitting 50 people, all of whom are hospitalised, it isn't actually an attack until somebody dies.

Got it.

Nobody did that here. Your hypothetical scenario is irrelevant.

 

[aphronesis]

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Gotcha. So if I spray machine gun fire into a restaurant hitting 50 people, all of whom are hospitalised, it isn't actually an attack until somebody dies.

Got it.

Nobody did that here. Your hypothetical scenario is irrelevant.

You did it, actually. You said it didn't rise to the level of an "attack". Making it a matter of scale.

Amusingly reminiscent of the way people brush off more complicated "sexual assault" charges. All a little fun and games.

You obviously know the alphabet and some words, so what's the blockage? A focus/concentration thing?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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wrong, no and I don't care about Bolton[/quote]

There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.

Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.

tricky things, facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/[/quote]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBS7rM9Omq0

Trump wasn't even in government then nor was he any kind of political figure.[/quote]

Was he against or for GW2 before it started? You said I was wrong when I said he supported the war....Some will say he’s not a ‘Political’ figure now but an ignorant, arrogant bomb thrower. He needs to be gone.

 

[Lupi33x]

He said he didn't know anything about it when he was first asked and that's obvious in the interview there was no certainty in his response.
He turned against it very quickly whilst the mainstream supported it long before the WMD lie was exposed.
Meanwhile your idols Obama and Clinton created multiple new wars. Who fact checks your 'factcheck' site?

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

A chemical warfare attack on British soil which put British citizens at risk, including hospitalization of a British police officer.

If it doesn't matter neither does 9/11.

'chemical warfare attack' supposedly by a nerve agent 10x stronger than sarin, but everybody is getting better :lol:

That you fell for this ruse is instructive in what else you will fall for.

That you will continue to deny you were deceived is instructive in something far worse.

Yulia Skripal has said she is recovering from the nerve agent attack on her and her father, Sergei, and thanked the people of Salisbury for their support, but said she is feeling disoriented.

The first public words from either of the Skripals since the attack on 4 March came after Sergei’s niece, Viktoria, claimed from Moscow that Yulia had told her that both she and her father were getting better.

In a statement issued by the Metropolitan police, Yulia, 33, said: “I woke up over a week ago now and am glad to say my strength is growing daily. I am grateful for the interest in me and for the many messages of goodwill that I have received.

“I have many people to thank for my recovery and would especially like to mention the people of Salisbury that came to my aid when my father and I were incapacitated. Further than that, I would like to thank the staff at Salisbury district hospital for their care and professionalism.

“I am sure you appreciate that the entire episode is somewhat disorientating, and I hope that you’ll respect my privacy and that of my family during the period of my convalescence.”

The statement was issued just hours after Viktoria said she had spoken by phone to Yulia.

“She said everything is fine and she is doing OK,” Viktoria Skripal told the Guardian by telephone from Moscow. “That’s all I’m going to say.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/05/yulia-skripal-says-everyone-is-getting-better-russian-tv-reports?CMP=twt_gu

 

[Bustedknuckle]

That you fell for this ruse is instructive in what else you will fall for.

So lupi, what happened? ‘Ruse’, and don’t paste some website, tell us what happened, with some proof.

 

[Lupi33x]

That you fell for this ruse is instructive in what else you will fall for.

So lupi, what happened? ‘Ruse’, and don’t paste some website, tell us what happened, with some proof.

They all survived. Its in all the media.
What proof do you require that I can possibly provide?

 

[macbindle]

Re: Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

A chemical warfare attack on British soil which put British citizens at risk, including hospitalization of a British police officer.

If it doesn't matter neither does 9/11.

'chemical warfare attack' supposedly by a nerve agent 10x stronger than sarin, but everybody is getting better :lol:

That you fell for this ruse is instructive in what else you will fall for.

That you will continue to deny you were deceived is instructive in something far worse.

Yulia Skripal has said she is recovering from the nerve agent attack on her and her father, Sergei, and thanked the people of Salisbury for their support, but said she is feeling disoriented.

The first public words from either of the Skripals since the attack on 4 March came after Sergei’s niece, Viktoria, claimed from Moscow that Yulia had told her that both she and her father were getting better.

In a statement issued by the Metropolitan police, Yulia, 33, said: “I woke up over a week ago now and am glad to say my strength is growing daily. I am grateful for the interest in me and for the many messages of goodwill that I have received.

“I have many people to thank for my recovery and would especially like to mention the people of Salisbury that came to my aid when my father and I were incapacitated. Further than that, I would like to thank the staff at Salisbury district hospital for their care and professionalism.

“I am sure you appreciate that the entire episode is somewhat disorientating, and I hope that you’ll respect my privacy and that of my family during the period of my convalescence.”

The statement was issued just hours after Viktoria said she had spoken by phone to Yulia.

“She said everything is fine and she is doing OK,” Viktoria Skripal told the Guardian by telephone from Moscow. “That’s all I’m going to say.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/05/yulia-skripal-says-everyone-is-getting-better-russian-tv-reports?CMP=twt_gu

So what were they poisoned with if it wasn't a chemical weapon?

Or does a chemical weapon cease to be a chemical weapon if the victim recovers?

What is the ruse? That the two Russians have just been pretending?

Please enlighten us mere fools with your sagacity.

Oh look. Another ruse. They survived...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/syria-mustard-gas-attack-my-body-was-burning

 

[Lupi33x]

Re: Re:

Why did 9/11 matter? A few thousand died, about the same as die from guns every month in the US.

The US should have just sucked it up.

You're drawing an equivalence of a hit on a double agent with a terrorist attack? Really?

A chemical warfare attack on British soil which put British citizens at risk, including hospitalization of a British police officer.

If it doesn't matter neither does 9/11.

'chemical warfare attack' supposedly by a nerve agent 10x stronger than sarin, but everybody is getting better :lol:

That you fell for this ruse is instructive in what else you will fall for.

That you will continue to deny you were deceived is instructive in something far worse.

Yulia Skripal has said she is recovering from the nerve agent attack on her and her father, Sergei, and thanked the people of Salisbury for their support, but said she is feeling disoriented.

The first public words from either of the Skripals since the attack on 4 March came after Sergei’s niece, Viktoria, claimed from Moscow that Yulia had told her that both she and her father were getting better.

In a statement issued by the Metropolitan police, Yulia, 33, said: “I woke up over a week ago now and am glad to say my strength is growing daily. I am grateful for the interest in me and for the many messages of goodwill that I have received.

“I have many people to thank for my recovery and would especially like to mention the people of Salisbury that came to my aid when my father and I were incapacitated. Further than that, I would like to thank the staff at Salisbury district hospital for their care and professionalism.

“I am sure you appreciate that the entire episode is somewhat disorientating, and I hope that you’ll respect my privacy and that of my family during the period of my convalescence.”

The statement was issued just hours after Viktoria said she had spoken by phone to Yulia.

“She said everything is fine and she is doing OK,” Viktoria Skripal told the Guardian by telephone from Moscow. “That’s all I’m going to say.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/05/yulia-skripal-says-everyone-is-getting-better-russian-tv-reports?CMP=twt_gu

So what were they poisoned with if it wasn't a chemical weapon?

Or does a chemical weapon cease to be a chemical weapon if the victim recovers?

What is the ruse? That the two Russians have just been pretending?

Please enlighten us mere fools with your sagacity.

Oh look. Another ruse. They survived...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/syria-mustard-gas-attack-my-body-was-burning

I predicted you would continue to deny and I wasn't disappointed.

Being in the general vicinity and being the direct target are nothing like equivalent.
You would think Putin and his evil superpower FSB apparatus would be more efficient in disposing of one of their own spies. How is this in any way equivalent to a chemical warfare attack against Britain?

How would I know what they were poisoned with? I do know when I smell ***.