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[rhubroma]

Lol the French DID recognize Palestine. Next they suffered two terrorist attacks.

France suffered terrorist attacks because they fight IS in Syria. Were do you come up with this crapola! For the moment, Palestine has taken a back seat to more pressing concerns.

Keep laughing, Echoes, but until there is peace in Palestine this will never end!

 

[Echoes]

Of course I keep laughing. I mean, the French fighting ISIL They've just been pretending and only for the last few months. Al Nusra is making a good job, said the Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius ...

Netanyahu warned them back in August 2014 that they would suffer a terrorist attack as soon as they recognized Palestine (it was definitely a threat). The Assembly voted for the recognition in December 2014. January 7 2015: BOOOOM. How could he know?

January 11 Netanyahu organised a massive tearful demonstration in his own Paris, which you sympathised for.

 

[hrotha]

It's always them Jewish crypto-lizardmen, right.

 

[frenchfry]

The COP21 climate conference opens today in Paris. Lots of roads closed for the passage of the world leaders who arrive over the next few days - and who I assume will arrive by private/state planes and will use convoys of gas guzzling monster cars to make their entrance in accordance with their status and importance. Actual change of habits is for the peasants ... let them eat cake!

 

[blutto]

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It's always them Jewish crypto-lizardmen, right.

....well, not always, , but in this particular case, there is a rather cozy relationship between the Israeli government, and parts of the ISIS hydra, as well as a rather cozy relationship with Saudi Arabia, which if you aren't aware, is a major backer of ISIS....so maybe, just maybe, Echoes may in some small part have the last laugh....

...so you are believer in lizardmen eh....I have a friend who also believes in lizardmen and maybe I should introduce you....I'm sure you guys will have lots in common and much to discuss ( starting with this crazy idea you have that the lizardmen are crypto and Jewish because according to my friend they are most definitely not, they are real trans-dimensional, shape-shifting lizard-like creatures from Zar-Dot, who sometimes, when it suits their needs, appear as Jews....and end up giving Jews a bad name by their actions...and because this friend is Jewish these actions trouble him greatly....and god I wish I was making this up but it is true, absolutely true.... the bottom line you guys would get along great....)

Cheers

 

[rhubroma]

Of course I keep laughing. I mean, the French fighting ISIL They've just been pretending and only for the last few months. Al Nusra is making a good job, said the Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius ...

Netanyahu warned them back in August 2014 that they would suffer a terrorist attack as soon as they recognized Palestine (it was definitely a threat). The Assembly voted for the recognition in December 2014. January 7 2015: BOOOOM. How could he know?

January 11 Netanyahu organised a massive tearful demonstration in his own Paris, which you sympathised for.

So let me get this straight...ISIL is working for Israel.

I'm not in line with Blutto's Saudi based allience between the Jewish State and some form of para-terrorism, although I must admit in this idiological-strategic game anything is possible. For what cause? I suppose a front against the Suunite resurgance. It's possible.

However, as a base assumption, if France was hit for "recognizing" Palestine and not for its striking ISIL in Syria, then someone needs to explain to me why the terrorists claimed it was an "eye for an eye" regarding Syria.

At all events, yes, Al Nusra is in a struggle with ISIL for "who can be the bigger terrorists honor" and thus Israel's and the USA's ally, which is ironic.

 

[patricknd]

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The COP21 climate conference opens today in Paris. Lots of roads closed for the passage of the world leaders who arrive over the next few days - and who I assume will arrive by private/state planes and will use convoys of gas guzzling monster cars to make their entrance in accordance with their status and importance. Actual change of habits is for the peasants ... let them eat cake!

so much for telecommuting

 

[blutto]

Of course I keep laughing. I mean, the French fighting ISIL They've just been pretending and only for the last few months. Al Nusra is making a good job, said the Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius ...

Netanyahu warned them back in August 2014 that they would suffer a terrorist attack as soon as they recognized Palestine (it was definitely a threat). The Assembly voted for the recognition in December 2014. January 7 2015: BOOOOM. How could he know?

January 11 Netanyahu organised a massive tearful demonstration in his own Paris, which you sympathised for.

So let me get this straight...ISIL is working for Israel.

I'm not in line with Blutto's Saudi based allience between the Jewish State and some form of para-terrorism, although I must admit in this idological-strategic game anything is possible. For what cause? I suppose a front against the Suunite resurgance. It's possible.

However, as a base assumption, if France was hit for "recognizing" Palestine and not for its striking ISIl in Syria, then someone needs to explain to me why the terrorists claimed it was an "eye for an eye" regarding Syria.

...not necessarily saying that there is a formal alliance as more like some common cause/objectives....Hezbollah lines up with Assad and with Iran which is basically Shia....ISIS lines up with Saudi Arabia and Qatar which are Sunni....and Israel would love to weaken/destroy Hezbollah and Assad...so its in Israeli interests to help ISIS, which they have....the question is how deep is this relationship and how far will Israel take it...so far there have been no official Israeli press releases on this issue so its down to reading tea leaves....

....and oh, the other weird wild card here is the relatively cozy relationship btwn the Iraqi Kurds and Israel...keeping in mind that the Iraqi Kurds are not necessarily and consistently on the same page as the Kurds in Syria and/or Turkey...

....and then there is the trip NuttyYahoo made to Moscow just before the big Russian push into Syria...

...so yeah its weird and confusing and there will probably be some surprises as hidden stuff breaks the surface....and yeah you always, as Hrotha points out, have to watch out for those shape-shifting lizard creatures who according to my sources are there because of the pyramids which are the energy sources they use for trans-dimensional travel....so there...hope that clears things up...

Cheers

 

[red_flanders]

I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

 

[rhubroma]

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I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

Because the situation is extremely complex and any simplistic reading of it is inane.

One thing is for sure, however, Turkey is funding ISIL.

 

[red_flanders]

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I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

Because the situation is extremely complex and any simplistic reading of it is inane.

One thing is for sure, however, Turkey is funding ISIL.

I'm referring to the incredibly offensive and idiotic laughing about the terrorist attacks.

Nothing to do with complexity or simplicity. Some things are just unworthy of response.

 

[rhubroma]

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I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

Because the situation is extremely complex and any simplistic reading of it is inane.

One thing is for sure, however, Turkey is funding ISIL.

I'm referring to the incredibly offensive and idiotic laughing about the terrorist attacks.

Nothing to do with complexity or simplicity. Some things are just unworthy of response.

I don't think Blutto was laughing about the terrorist attacks. It appears he was trying to point out the ironies of how terrorism works.

 

[frenchfry]

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I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

Because the situation is extremely complex and any simplistic reading of it is inane.

One thing is for sure, however, Turkey is funding ISIL.

I'm referring to the incredibly offensive and idiotic laughing about the terrorist attacks.

Nothing to do with complexity or simplicity. Some things are just unworthy of response.

I don't think Blutto was laughing about the terrorist attacks. It appears he was trying to point out the ironies of how terrorism works.

I am pretty sure red wasn't referring to blutto.

 

[red_flanders]

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I am pretty sure red wasn't referring to blutto.

Of course you're correct.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

I don't get why anyone bothers responding to this drivel.

Because the situation is extremely complex and any simplistic reading of it is inane.

One thing is for sure, however, Turkey is funding ISIL.

I'm referring to the incredibly offensive and idiotic laughing about the terrorist attacks.

Nothing to do with complexity or simplicity. Some things are just unworthy of response.

I don't think Blutto was laughing about the terrorist attacks. It appears he was trying to point out the ironies of how terrorism works.

I am pretty sure red wasn't referring to blutto.

Ahh, got it.

 

[rhubroma]

In the meantime, Israel, Netanyahu says, has suspended its collaboration with the EU in its role in Palestinian peace negotiations. This for having (the EU) placed labels on Israeli products, to inform European consumers that they have come from the illegal colonies.

Israel is keeping diplomatic contact with single EU countries like France, Belgium Germany and England, but not the EU as a whole.

How the EU reacts to this will say much in regards to those with the more infamous of conspiracy theories.

 

[rhubroma]

Of course I keep laughing. I mean, the French fighting ISIL They've just been pretending and only for the last few months. Al Nusra is making a good job, said the Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius ...

Netanyahu warned them back in August 2014 that they would suffer a terrorist attack as soon as they recognized Palestine (it was definitely a threat). The Assembly voted for the recognition in December 2014. January 7 2015: BOOOOM. How could he know?

January 11 Netanyahu organised a massive tearful demonstration in his own Paris, which you sympathised for.

The only thing I sympathise for is being distanced from fanatics like yourself.

Unfortunately there are so many, from every direction, that it's hard to find a sane place in the human world.

 

[blutto]

....just to make this oil/Turkey/ISIS issue even more confusing.....
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"Turkey's role in facilitating the sale of Islamic State oil has been the subject of some debate for quite a while. From "NATO is harbouring the Islamic State: Why France’s brave new war on ISIS is a sick joke, and an insult to the victims of the Paris attacks", by Nafeez Ahmed:

"Turkey has played a key role in facilitating the life-blood of ISIS’ expansion: black market oil sales. Senior political and intelligence sources in Turkey and Iraq confirm that Turkish authorities have actively facilitated ISIS oil sales through the country. Last summer, Mehmet Ali Ediboglu, an MP from the main opposition, the Republican People’s Party, estimated the quantity of ISIS oil sales in Turkey at about $800 million—that was over a year ago. By now, this implies that Turkey has facilitated over $1 billion worth of black market ISIS oil sales to date."

Here's what former CHP lawmaker Ali Ediboglu said last year:

“$800 million worth of oil that ISIS obtained from regions it occupied this year [the Rumeilan oil fields in northern Syria — and most recently Mosul] is being sold in Turkey. They have laid pipes from villages near the Turkish border at Hatay. Similar pipes exist also at [the Turkish border regions of] Kilis, Urfa and Gaziantep. They transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash. They take the oil from the refineries at zero cost. Using primitive means, they refine the oil in areas close to the Turkish border and then sell it via Turkey. This is worth $800 million.”

Earlier this month, Ediboglu told Russian media that "ISIL holds the key to these deposits and together with a certain group of persons, consisting of those close to Barzani and some Turkish businessmen, they are engaged in selling this oil" ("Barzani" is a reference to Masoud Barzani, President of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region).

....from... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/how-turkey-exports-isis-oil-world-scientific-evidence

....not really sure what this signifies but the bolded bit has been mentioned in other places, and is kinda weird given how the Kurdish/Turkey relations have played out over the last several decades ( and especially in Syria recently )....

Cheers

 

[blackcat]

Of course I keep laughing. I mean, the French fighting ISIL They've just been pretending and only for the last few months. Al Nusra is making a good job, said the Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius ...

Netanyahu warned them back in August 2014 that they would suffer a terrorist attack as soon as they recognized Palestine (it was definitely a threat). The Assembly voted for the recognition in December 2014. January 7 2015: BOOOOM. How could he know?

January 11 Netanyahu organised a massive tearful demonstration in his own Paris, which you sympathised for.

So let me get this straight...ISIL is working for Israel.

I'm not in line with Blutto's Saudi based allience between the Jewish State and some form of para-terrorism, although I must admit in this idiological-strategic game anything is possible. For what cause? I suppose a front against the Suunite resurgance. It's possible.

However, as a base assumption, if France was hit for "recognizing" Palestine and not for its striking ISIL in Syria, then someone needs to explain to me why the terrorists claimed it was an "eye for an eye" regarding Syria.

At all events, yes, Al Nusra is in a struggle with ISIL for "who can be the bigger terrorists honor" and thus Israel's and the USA's ally, which is ironic.

agree with rhub, but like American foreign policy where you have a hundred different inputs, pulling and pushing in various directions, and things like Ukraine where CIA may well or may well not, have policies and operations underway, but these are medium and long term policies, that have a lag effect, then they may well come into complete opposition with temporal and ephemeral actions from Whitehouse. So the Israelis would be remiss if they did not have mossad deep operatives in all groups, it just is questionable how deep, what influence, are they merely native sources and sigint trojans, or bagmen?

but the overwhelming force and thruline for such operations, this is thoroughly implausible.

 

[blackcat]

and Israel would love to weaken/destroy Hezbollah and Assad...

Well, they are two different bodies, Assad can serve a purpose as long as the degree of stability holds forces off Golan Heights and status quo ante is maintained, with Syria protesting land ownership when in actuality Israel has occupied and annexed it. The problem comes if Assad goes, will there be skirmishes and conflict now in the vacuum? They want to hit back and destroy Hezbollah, no doubt on that. but this is where the instability v stability tension is at play. They can make a case publicly for regime change, without knowing which new regime will be inducted, and they can make a case publicly for Assad and stability. And then there is the issue of actions having a lag timeframe, when the time on the ground is shifting and in constant flux.

 

[Merckx index]

The COP21 climate conference opens today in Paris. Lots of roads closed for the passage of the world leaders who arrive over the next few days - and who I assume will arrive by private/state planes and will use convoys of gas guzzling monster cars to make their entrance in accordance with their status and importance. Actual change of habits is for the peasants ... let them eat cake!

so much for telecommuting

Yeah, a teleconference would send a teeny signal that these people are actually serious, and at least take one argument out of the skeptics' arsenal. I really don't see why it's necessary for the attendees to be physically present. When I was beginning my scientific career, I wasn’t always that keen on going to conferences. People pointed out to me that it wasn’t just the seminars and talks, you meet others on a more informal basis, you learn about things that haven’t been published, you make new contacts and set yourself up to get advance notice of future unpublished information. I get all that, but I question how much that comes into play in a conference like this, and anyway, you can still do that electronically. In fact, you can do more of it. There is only so much information you can absorb in face to face time, whereas there is no limit to electronic information, that you can peruse long after the conference is over.

Nor should teleconferencing IMO be restricted to climate change gatherings. Did Hollande really have to fly to the U.S., Germany, Russia, etc.? Do world leaders in general really have to visit their allies? I understand it's important to meet face to face at some point, particularly for representatives of countries who have less than friendly relations, but once you've done it once or twice or three times, do further meetings like that actually promote better relations? I doubt it very much, I can in fact imagine situations when they would make relationships worse.

Anyway, to the extent that teleconferencing does make the meeting a little more difficult, that would be a good thing. The leaders would be showing the rest of the world that they, too, can make sacrifices.

 

[frenchfry]

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The COP21 climate conference opens today in Paris. Lots of roads closed for the passage of the world leaders who arrive over the next few days - and who I assume will arrive by private/state planes and will use convoys of gas guzzling monster cars to make their entrance in accordance with their status and importance. Actual change of habits is for the peasants ... let them eat cake!

so much for telecommuting

Yeah, a teleconference would send a teeny signal that these people are actually serious, and at least take one argument out of the skeptics' arsenal. I really don't see why it's necessary for the attendees to be physically present. When I was beginning my scientific career, I wasn’t always that keen on going to conferences. People pointed out to me that it wasn’t just the seminars and talks, you meet others on a more informal basis, you learn about things that haven’t been published, you make new contacts and set yourself up to get advance notice of future unpublished information. I get all that, but I question how much that comes into play in a conference like this, and anyway, you can still do that electronically. In fact, you can do more of it. There is only so much information you can absorb in face to face time, whereas there is no limit to electronic information, that you can peruse long after the conference is over.

Nor should teleconferencing IMO be restricted to climate change gatherings. Did Hollande really have to fly to the U.S., Germany, Russia, etc.? Do world leaders in general really have to visit their allies? I understand it's important to meet face to face at some point, particularly for representatives of countries who have less than friendly relations, but once you've done it once or twice or three times, do further meetings like that actually promote better relations? I doubt it very much, I can in fact imagine situations when they would make relationships worse.

Anyway, to the extent that teleconferencing does make the meeting a little more difficult, that would be a good thing. The leaders would be showing the rest of the world that they, too, can make sacrifices.

It's ALL about the political show. Hollande is pathetic in his posturing, when he has show a total lack of leadership and foresight during his mandate so far. The COP21 appears to be a big demonstration that will likely lead to a watered down agreement that will never be implemented by a majority of countries.

 

[rhubroma]

Meanwhile the Pope makes a trip to Central Africa and announces the opening of the Jubilee. Now I don't care about such religious affairs, however we are dealing with arguably the poorest nation on earth, but one of the richest in resources: gold, uranium, oil, iron, hard wood. It's been sacked by France, Belgium, China, Germany and Lebanon, who have been able to manoeuver it well, given that no regime change, civil war or religious war - like the one currently taking place between Christians and Muslims - has been able to affect in the least the influx of profit that is siphoned into the West on its misery. We must also not forget puppet emperor Bokassa in the 70's, who the West sustained with $20 million to finance his excesses and repression.

Thus when someone says enough about the "big bad West," that person must come to terms with what has actually taken place, to then reflect upon the real causes of its own resentment and the terrorism this entails.

 

[Echoes]

What I don't understand with those self-righteous Western suprematists that you all are, you see the facts, but in all cases, you'd clear your Western government from any responsability in the conflict.

I mean Turkey is no longer a Nato member, it's "Nato (sic)", now. But lol, it can never occur to you that they are doing what is expected of the Nato state with a common border with Syria. Their acts can never be those of a NATO state, no. Turkey is just the Islamic Fifth Column inside Nato. Turkey being a violently secularist state built up on a genocide and on the terror secularist regime of Attaturk is forgotten.
In any case, Nato has never been funding or providing weapons to terrorists. Gladio never existed. Piazza Fontana 1969, Oktoberfest 1980, Station of Bologna 1980. No, Nato is no terrorist organisation, please.

Besides, I'm fed up with you all Islamophobic leftists who pretend to care for the Palestinians while since they are Muslims, surely you don't give a FLIP about them. If you were true to your opinion you'd voice open support for Israel but you don't have the balls for it.

I'm still waiting for the logic behind the idea that recognizing the State of Palestine would appease the terrorists. France had to big terrorist attacks AFTER the Parliament recognized it. ISIL is destablizing Palestine, not Israel. What's your logic?

Al Nusra is more focused on the Syrian regime than on ISIL whom they are trying to negotiate with. ISIL killed many more loyalists than other terrorist groups (if you add the Lebanese and the Russians to it, it's even more obvious). Israel has hospitalized some 500 terrorist from Al Nusra and don't consider ISIL a threat, unlike Iran.

All that should raise questions. But obviously, if you can't possibly believe that Western governments are funding and/or arming terrorists, you'll never get it.

 

[Echoes]

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It's been sacked by France, Belgium, China, Germany and Lebanon

By Israel, the USA, Canada, South Africa and the UK, thank you. + They've been sacked among themselves (Rwanda & Uganda sacked the Congo)


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