114th Paris-Roubaix - UCI World Tour (10/4-2016)

[Valv.Piti]

Cant we have a poll?

Anyways, Ill root for Tommeke, but I think Sagan will prove the doubters wrong again

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

******Cancellara
*****Vanmarcke, Stybar, Terpstra
****Sagan, Boom, Stannard, Rowe
***Kristoff, Vandenbergh, Boonen
**Roelandts, Keukeliere, Oss, Boasson Hagen
*Tony Martin, Ladagnous

 

[LosBrolin]

Saramotins with a 200km solo

 

[TMP402]

Re:

I'm sorry to not include Tommeke, but nothing we've seen thus far this season suggests he can win such a race.

It kind of feels like Wiggins last year: you can't dismiss him because of his pedigree or history, but he has shown nothing to suggest he is capable of winning this year, so if he does it will be because of some genius tactic or training regime in the last week.

Any news on Benoot and Demare kindly appreciated.

Social media suggests both are expecting to start the race.

 

[Jancouver]

Its funny to read all the nonsense about how Sagan needs a 2min recovery break between efforts, his lack of experience riding on pave and mud.

I always thought that he is a pretty decent time trialist and in TTs there is no 2min recovery. Perhaps DFA123 can explain why Cancellara along with Vanmarcke was unable to catch him last Sunday? Where did he get the needed recovery you were talking about?

Phew, the only way for Sagan to lose this race is to have some bad luck or if he is over-confident and will over-estimate his power by some crazy long distance solo attack. In addition, some early breakaway may stay away and take this. (the usual suspects such as Barta, Durbridge etc)

Cance + Sagan to enter the velodrome together ... Experience may win this one

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Nice job with the OP - thanks for kicking it off!

As per the Ronde Van Vlaanderen....my heart says Spartacus, but my head says Sagan - no surprise there right.

Just hoping both can stay upright and mechanical issues free for the entirety of the race and let their legs / lungs & racing tactics do the talking.

The Ronde / Roubaix double in the Rainbow Jersey would be Fairytale stuff for Sagan.....and pro Cycling.
IMHO Sagan is worthy.


Really looking forward to this years edition of "The Hell of The North"

 

[Cannibal72]

Re:

Its funny to read all the nonsense about how Sagan needs a 2min recovery break between efforts, his lack of experience riding on pave and mud.

I always thought that he is a pretty decent time trialist and in TTs there is no 2min recovery. Perhaps DFA123 can explain why Cancellara along with Vanmarcke was unable to catch him last Sunday? Where did he get the needed recovery you were talking about?

Phew, the only way for Sagan to lose this race is to have some bad luck or if he is over-confident and will over-estimate his power by some crazy long distance solo attack. In addition, some early breakaway may stay away and take this. (the usual suspects such as Barta, Durbridge etc)

Cance + Sagan to enter the velodrome together ... Experience may win this one

Surprisingly enough, on the descent. What a shocking notion.
Anyway, the point isn't that Sagan was able to hold off Cancellara at the end, which was certainly an impressive performance, the point is that Sagan already had a gap because of his explosivity on the Oude Kwaremont. Where, precisely, is Sagan supposed to gain time? When he does, will it be because he's more skilled on muddy cobbles than two CX world champions (he isn't), or because he's stronger on the flat than a four-time ITT WC? If he doesn't manage to drop Kristoff or Cancellara, all the indications this season are that he'd lose a velodrome sprint.

 

[Jancouver]

Re: Re:

Its funny to read all the nonsense about how Sagan needs a 2min recovery break between efforts, his lack of experience riding on pave and mud.

I always thought that he is a pretty decent time trialist and in TTs there is no 2min recovery. Perhaps DFA123 can explain why Cancellara along with Vanmarcke was unable to catch him last Sunday? Where did he get the needed recovery you were talking about?

Phew, the only way for Sagan to lose this race is to have some bad luck or if he is over-confident and will over-estimate his power by some crazy long distance solo attack. In addition, some early breakaway may stay away and take this. (the usual suspects such as Barta, Durbridge etc)

Cance + Sagan to enter the velodrome together ... Experience may win this one

Surprisingly enough, on the descent. What a shocking notion.
Anyway, the point isn't that Sagan was able to hold off Cancellara at the end, which was certainly an impressive performance, the point is that Sagan already had a gap because of his explosivity on the Oude Kwaremont. Where, precisely, is Sagan supposed to gain time? When he does, will it be because he's more skilled on muddy cobbles than two CX world champions (he isn't), or because he's stronger on the flat than a four-time ITT WC? If he doesn't manage to drop Kristoff or Cancellara, all the indications this season are that he'd lose a velodrome sprint.

Why do you think that he needs to accelerate and drop everyone to win Roubaix? Is it because of those indications that you just made up about Sagan losing a velodrome sprint to Cancellara and everyone else? Oh boy

He can very much be glued to Cancellara's wheel all day long and the velodrome sprint is a coin-flip any way you slice it.

Actually, when was the last time Sagan lost one-on-one sprint against Fabian? Can you remind me?

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: Re:

Its funny to read all the nonsense about how Sagan needs a 2min recovery break between efforts, his lack of experience riding on pave and mud.

I always thought that he is a pretty decent time trialist and in TTs there is no 2min recovery. Perhaps DFA123 can explain why Cancellara along with Vanmarcke was unable to catch him last Sunday? Where did he get the needed recovery you were talking about?

Phew, the only way for Sagan to lose this race is to have some bad luck or if he is over-confident and will over-estimate his power by some crazy long distance solo attack. In addition, some early breakaway may stay away and take this. (the usual suspects such as Barta, Durbridge etc)

Cance + Sagan to enter the velodrome together ... Experience may win this one

Surprisingly enough, on the descent. What a shocking notion.
Anyway, the point isn't that Sagan was able to hold off Cancellara at the end, which was certainly an impressive performance, the point is that Sagan already had a gap because of his explosivity on the Oude Kwaremont. Where, precisely, is Sagan supposed to gain time? When he does, will it be because he's more skilled on muddy cobbles than two CX world champions (he isn't), or because he's stronger on the flat than a four-time ITT WC? If he doesn't manage to drop Kristoff or Cancellara, all the indications this season are that he'd lose a velodrome sprint.

Why do you think that he needs to accelerate and drop everyone to win Roubaix? Is it because of those indications that you just made up about Sagan losing a velodrome sprint to Cancellara and everyone else? Oh boy

He can very much be glued to Cancellara's wheel all day long and the velodrome sprint is a coin-flip any way you slice it.

Actually, when was the last time Sagan lost one-on-one sprint against Fabian? Can you remind me?

Well, there's the fact that he's said in interviews that he feels he needs to drop everybody, his constant attacks on climbs, his getting beaten by GVA and Kwiat, the fact he hasn't won a sprint since last year's Vuelta - wait, no, you're right, I'm imagining all of that. Silly of me. You clearly watched these races properly, unlike me, and thus divined Sagan's invincibility. As for Fabian v Sagan, there is Strade Bianche - but that was three-up, not two-up, so it doesn't count.

 

[pastronef]

I am dreaming of a hard fought one, and Stannard leaving them all behing on a muddy Carrefour...

 

[gunara]

Sep's luck will peak for this.
Anyway, have never been so excited about PR for sometimes, and I was always excited about it. Too bad some potential protagonists will miss this, but the ones remained still promise more than the last 3 years did.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

There's a lot of talk about Benoot being absent, but the real lose is that Lampaert is not here.

 

[bassano]

Can someone explain me how Rowe or Stannard have even some chance to win? It is like considering Thomas among San Remo favourites, just nonsense, I know that cyclingnews always pick up someone from SKY no matter what but I did not expected that someone from here will even mention them

 

[bassano]

Re: Re:

Well, there's the fact that he's said in interviews that he feels he needs to drop everybody, his constant attacks on climbs, his getting beaten by GVA and Kwiat, the fact he hasn't won a sprint since last year's Vuelta - wait, no, you're right, I'm imagining all of that. Silly of me. You clearly watched these races properly, unlike me, and thus divined Sagan's invincibility. As for Fabian v Sagan, there is Strade Bianche - but that was three-up, not two-up, so it doesn't count.

Where excatly you saw sprint Sagan vs Cancellara in Strade Bianche?
And since last year Vuelta there was only one interesting sprint, in San Remo and Sagan had bad luck there so saying he has not won a sprint does not say anything

 

[WildspokeJoe]

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Alright guys. Who's gonna coordinate the rain dance Sunday morning?

This! And even more - if it does not rain, there should be a sprinkler truck rolling in front of them (preferably with a mud distributing device).

Rain is forecast for Saturday. Partly Sunny on Sunday.
I've been praying to the god of rain, Danny Devito all week. P-R is so fun to watch when it rains.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Re:

Well, there's the fact that he's said in interviews that he feels he needs to drop everybody, his constant attacks on climbs, his getting beaten by GVA and Kwiat, the fact he hasn't won a sprint since last year's Vuelta - wait, no, you're right, I'm imagining all of that. Silly of me. You clearly watched these races properly, unlike me, and thus divined Sagan's invincibility. As for Fabian v Sagan, there is Strade Bianche - but that was three-up, not two-up, so it doesn't count.

Where excatly you saw sprint Sagan vs Cancellara in Strade Bianche?
And since last year Vuelta there was only one interesting sprint, in San Remo and Sagan had bad luck there so saying he has not won a sprint does not say anything

There was one more interesting I think G-W. Wasn't it?

 

[memyselfandI]

I vote for EBH-Cav double that outsprints Canc-Tommeke-Stybar-Stannard in a small group sprint

 

[coimbrawu]

Re: Re:

Actually, when was the last time Sagan lost one-on-one sprint against Fabian? Can you remind me?

Tour of Oman 2015, Stage 2

 

[bassano]

Re: Re:

Well, there's the fact that he's said in interviews that he feels he needs to drop everybody, his constant attacks on climbs, his getting beaten by GVA and Kwiat, the fact he hasn't won a sprint since last year's Vuelta - wait, no, you're right, I'm imagining all of that. Silly of me. You clearly watched these races properly, unlike me, and thus divined Sagan's invincibility. As for Fabian v Sagan, there is Strade Bianche - but that was three-up, not two-up, so it doesn't count.

Where excatly you saw sprint Sagan vs Cancellara in Strade Bianche?
And since last year Vuelta there was only one interesting sprint, in San Remo and Sagan had bad luck there so saying he has not won a sprint does not say anything

There was one more interesting I think G-W. Wasn't it?

Forgot that, it is too fresh to remember
Sagan won anyway

 

[Eshnar]

Added the planimetry to the OP.

 

[jsem94]

Erviti FTW.

 

[saganftw]

5 ettix riders in final 10 man group with 15km to go,one of them gets away after constant attacks and everybody will be pissed because it will not be an epic race

 

[maltiv]

Re:

Can someone explain me how Rowe or Stannard have even some chance to win? It is like considering Thomas among San Remo favourites, just nonsense, I know that cyclingnews always pick up someone from SKY no matter what but I did not expected that someone from here will even mention them

Indeed. Stannard gets a lot of hype before every cobbled monument, despite never having placed top 30(!) in either RVV or PR. Quite ridiculous.

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

Its funny to read all the nonsense about how Sagan needs a 2min recovery break between efforts, his lack of experience riding on pave and mud.

I always thought that he is a pretty decent time trialist and in TTs there is no 2min recovery. Perhaps DFA123 can explain why Cancellara along with Vanmarcke was unable to catch him last Sunday? Where did he get the needed recovery you were talking about?

Phew, the only way for Sagan to lose this race is to have some bad luck or if he is over-confident and will over-estimate his power by some crazy long distance solo attack. In addition, some early breakaway may stay away and take this. (the usual suspects such as Barta, Durbridge etc)

Cance + Sagan to enter the velodrome together ... Experience may win this one

Surprisingly enough, on the descent. What a shocking notion.
Anyway, the point isn't that Sagan was able to hold off Cancellara at the end, which was certainly an impressive performance, the point is that Sagan already had a gap because of his explosivity on the Oude Kwaremont. Where, precisely, is Sagan supposed to gain time? When he does, will it be because he's more skilled on muddy cobbles than two CX world champions (he isn't), or because he's stronger on the flat than a four-time ITT WC? If he doesn't manage to drop Kristoff or Cancellara, all the indications this season are that he'd lose a velodrome sprint.

well, hid didn't race any Elite CX WCH, but he not sign for liquigas, I think he would have some title by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgL4CuKgsOE

 

[Brullnux]

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Can someone explain me how Rowe or Stannard have even some chance to win? It is like considering Thomas among San Remo favourites, just nonsense, I know that cyclingnews always pick up someone from SKY no matter what but I did not expected that someone from here will even mention them

Rowe was 5th in Flanders and he prefers the flat of Roubaix, where he was 8th last year . He has a good chance of a very good performance, and is an (very) unlikely winner but you never know.