2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km MTT

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PremierAndrew said:
KyoGrey said:
Gazprom should be expelled from Giro.

It was a bad idea to invite them from the start. The excluded italian team or Caja Rural would have been better.
Yep, all Russians are suspicious while all italians and spaniards are squeaky clean :rolleyes:

This is even worse then only making Russians suspicious.
Add all nations to the list and it makes sense, because no country is squeaky clean. None at all.
 
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Hakkapelit said:
ciranda said:
It's a fun situtation. Movistar will have lots of guys to send out too although they don't have as many strong riders as the Astanas. Kruiswijk probably has more race intelligence than someone like Evans for example. If he's still clearly better uphill he should attack himself and improvise.
Hmm, I never reallyt followed what Evens was up to - what is this referring to=?
Evans had two major flaws as a tactical stage racer which, for the most part, he was able to overthrow late in his career after winning the rainbow jersey.

He would often stay with a group, or with the leader, following every attack and going deep into the red before blowing up, whereas a rider like Sastre would often let go and be distanced quite early on only to ride back on at his own pace when the guys at the front were playing games, or limit his losses. After the infamous 2009 Vuelta puncture, Evans raced onto the Samu group and started hard charging, only to then tumble almost a minute behind the Asturian by blowing up powered by the rage at the unlucky wheel change; at the 2008 Flèche Wallonne he was the strongest rider but he went far too early and blew up (a mistake he learnt from and profited from two years later when Igor Antón did the exact same thing Evans had), and even after the rainbows, he tried to follow every Basso move in the 2010 Giro and blew himself up on the Zoncolan and on Mortirolo, eventually paying heavy prices. The other problem was that he would expect others to do his work for him sometimes, which combined with his ability to whine about his teammates' lack of support for him publicly and standoffish reputation didn't help. The Alpe d'Huez stage referenced is a key point. He only had Kohl who could help him (Valverde wasn't willing, the Schlecks were obviously Sastre's teammates, Menchov and Kirchen were hanging on for grim death) and didn't realise until way too late on that Kohl didn't have the legs; similarly in 2009 in the Dauphiné when Valverde rode away on the Ventoux and cut a deal with Szmyd to the extent that he almost had to stop and wait for the Pole at the summit to hand over the win, Evans looked around for help, was told that as the maillot jaune it was his job to chase, and sat there sulking and letting Valverde win. He tried to win the race back a couple of days later, but by then the damage was done.

Evans' main problem was that he'd try to chase every move, tire himself out, and then when he couldn't respond to one, sulk if he didn't get the help he needed from others. He took a long time to get over that and I feared he had wasted his best chances to win the big races before he came out of his shell and changed his mindset, however he did have one last chance at the Tour which he took - the difference between the 2008 and 2011 Evans is insane - the former was almost certainly stronger, but the last one actually looked like he could win the Tour (and did).
 
Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

Kwibus said:
PremierAndrew said:
KyoGrey said:
Gazprom should be expelled from Giro.

It was a bad idea to invite them from the start. The excluded italian team or Caja Rural would have been better.
Yep, all Russians are suspicious while all italians and spaniards are squeaky clean :rolleyes:

This is even worse then only making Russians suspicious.
Add all nations to the list and it makes sense, because no country is squeaky clean. None at all.
Kyo mentioned caja rural and an italian team, hence I mentioned italy and spain in my reply. But yes, everyone is at least somewhat suspicious regardless of nationality
 
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It's been said before, but as some people are a bit surprised by Kruiswijks progress it has to be said again.

In 2011 when he also was really good in the 3rd week of the Giro where he also lost lots of time in the first week he eventually finished 8th at the age of 23. He went on to win a stage in Suisse and finishing 3rd in the GC.
After that he started becoming average..very average and then they found he had an blockage of his femoral artery. He had surgery at the of 2014 or start of 2015. Not sure exactly when. So last year was a big year for him as it would decide wether he would reach the level he had at the age 23 again.
He went to the Giro, but the team decided to just go for an attacking team. He had to work for himself and because of poor positioning and Astana ripping the race apart he lost a lot of time in the first week. Eventually he got the confirmation that he's still a very good rider by climbing with the best and finishing 7th in the GC after losing 11 minutes in the first week.

This year LottoNL send a team completely in support of Kruijswijk and he allready showed in Yorkshire that he allready had quite a decent form before the Giro even started. The fact that LottoNL have dropped him at the front of the bunch of every climb in the first 1.5 week really helped him. No wasting his own energy on places where he shouldn't waste his energy.

Now he's showing the progress that was still possible. His career has been delayed by the blockage of his femoral artery, but thank god they fixed that!

I remember in 2011 when Kruijswijk did so well he was a bit of a surprise for Rabo back then. They guys like Gesink and Mollema who were among the best in the U23 ranks, while Kruijswijk was decent, but not a star in the youth ranks. Gesink and Mollema just like most dutch talents who were great in the youth ranks stopped progressing quickly so Kruijswijk was my hope back then to progress 'normally'. No youth peek, but a good normal build up and that's pretty much what's happening.
 
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Ataraxus said:
I'm surprised so many people (till now) predict Nibali to take the stage. Krujswijk is as good as Nibali in pacing himself in the flat. He is better than Nibali in pacing himself in 8km
climbs at 8%. And has shown better climbing performance so far.
Cold blooded predictions converge to S.K IMO
For the ones who couldn't believe/ didn't expect today's stage results of the GC guys...
 
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Kwibus said:
PremierAndrew said:
KyoGrey said:
Gazprom should be expelled from Giro.

It was a bad idea to invite them from the start. The excluded italian team or Caja Rural would have been better.
Yep, all Russians are suspicious while all italians and spaniards are squeaky clean :rolleyes:

This is even worse then only making Russians suspicious.
Add all nations to the list and it makes sense, because no country is squeaky clean. None at all.
japan
 
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Cracking a monster diesel climber like Kruijswijk will be really hard, he's in the form of his life.
Still, Nibali will try something and Steven lost time to Aru on the last 2 mountain stages of the 2015 Giro, so who knows.
 
Dani Martinez did pretty wel, given he's by far the youngest rider in this thing and it is his first ever 3 week race. 31st, 3 seconds behind Fuglsang, 8 seconds behind Amador and Pozzovivo, 10 seconds behind Nibali...
 
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DNP-Old said:
Dani Martinez did pretty wel, given he's by far the youngest rider in this thing and it is his first ever 3 week race. 31st, 3 seconds behind Fuglsang, 8 seconds behind Amador and Pozzovivo, 10 seconds behind Nibali...
Also a bit behind Ciccone, whom I think we should start comparing him to.
 
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Brullnux said:
DNP-Old said:
Dani Martinez did pretty wel, given he's by far the youngest rider in this thing and it is his first ever 3 week race. 31st, 3 seconds behind Fuglsang, 8 seconds behind Amador and Pozzovivo, 10 seconds behind Nibali...
Also a bit behind Ciccone, whom I think we should start comparing him to.
Ciccone is 1.5 years older though.
 
Expect Astana and Movistar to send out Fuglsang and Amador on the first climb Tuesday, with Jungels and Siutsou going along because that is their only chance of advancing.

Lotto Jumbo will be forced to spend all on the first climb to keep them within reach, leaving Kruijswijk isolated on the last climb when Nibali and Valverde drop the hammer.

I don't think the climbs are hard enough to shake Kruijswijk, but they are gonna try, because there are only 3 mountain stages left.
 

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