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Actovegin--Again

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the article says that Tiger "did avail himself of Galea’s cutting-edge injury-healing procedure called platelet-rich plasma therapy, popularly known as blood-spinning.
The technique involves taking blood from the patient and spinning it in a centrifuge to increase the concentration of red platelets before re-injecting into the patient’s injured ligament, tendon or muscle to speed the rate of healing.
The procedure is legal under WADA rules although in 2010 it will be allowed only for injections into ligaments and tendons, not muscles."
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Sitting in an Oxygen Tent with a Centrifuge spinning blood is legal in Pro cycling...

Might be a good idea, however, to hide the centrifuge and dipose of your needles discreetly. Some people may get the wrong idea:(

per WIKI quote:
"Blood-spinning is a method used by athletes to shorten the time of the healing of an injury. Small samples of the athlete's blood are spun in a centrifuge in order to increase the concentration of growth hormones. Calcium and the enzyme thrombin are added forming a gel that is high in natural growth hormones. The sample is then injected into the wound, which can then heal as much as five times faster."endquote

Would this procedure help heal a broken CollarBone?

Could Fuentes legally help a person with a knee injury heal better/faster?
 
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What little I have read about the practice, there is no total increase of those hormones, IE if there was a total of 1 mcg of hormone t in the body before the process the total after the injection is the same. It just concentrates some of the available hormones and focuses them in the wound area. I see it as a very different procedure than blood doping which adds previously removed platelets after the body has naturally replaced them .
 
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Tiger was palling around with Jordan, Barkley, and Ahmad Rashad from early this decade, when those guys retired. Then Alex A-Rod Rodriguez joined "the brothers" as they call themselves. A-Rod confirmed. MJ's physique transformed remarkably in the mid 80's after his first few years in the league. See for example, the physiques of players like Anthony Mason compared to the 70's players. Those "brothers" that Tiger palled around with, knew their way around a needle.
 
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Ayurveda

Ayurveda is a holistic healing science which comprises of two words, Ayu and Veda. Ayu means life and Veda means knowledge or science. So the literal meaning of the word Ayurveda is the science of life. Ayurveda is a science dealing not only with treatment of some diseases but is a complete way of life. Read More
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Polish said:
"did avail himself of Galea’s cutting-edge injury-healing procedure called platelet-rich plasma therapy

Cutting edge - that's funny. Dentist's were using it 20 years ago in cancer patients who had jaw reconstructions. It has been used since than in at least the fields of cardiovascular surgery and orthopaedics. Sounds like Tigers got something to hide.
 
This isn't surprising in the slightest. Especially as men's golf has NO drug testing. Though in theory he would have to act within WADA rules, there's nothing other than the judicial system (as in, police) to investigate him to the point where USADA would even consider to try to enforce those rules.

Anyone remember when Gary Player said he knew for a fact several golfers were on steroids and other drugs (probably HGH) some 5 years ago, and golf needed to start a serious testing program? He was laughed at, and derided. But time is slowly showing him to be quite accurate.
 
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This isn't surprising in the slightest. Especially as men's golf has NO drug testing. Though in theory he would have to act within WADA rules, there's nothing other than the judicial system (as in, police) to investigate him to the point where USADA would even consider to try to enforce those rules.

Anyone remember when Gary Player said he knew for a fact several golfers were on steroids and other drugs (probably HGH) some 5 years ago, and golf needed to start a serious testing program? He was laughed at, and derided. But time is slowly showing him to be quite accurate.

I don't think Golf, specifically the PGA, is ever going to look into PEDs that seriously, even after this new developement.

Golf is such a technique driven sport some might consider the gains from using HGH to be pointless. In Golf consisteancy wins out, not strength; being able to bench 250lbs won't sink the 10' putt on 18.
 
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I don't think Golf, specifically the PGA, is ever going to look into PEDs that seriously, even after this new developement.

Golf is such a technique driven sport some might consider the gains from using HGH to be pointless. In Golf consisteancy wins out, not strength; being able to bench 250lbs won't sink the 10' putt on 18.

Yep. And Woods was outdriving his competitors at an early age, when he was still skinny. I honestly think his bulking-up had more to do with vanity than performance.
 
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Dara Torres? Well there's a surprise.

The LA Time article was cheesy. "I had suspicions about Tiger because he had big muscles, but I didn't write about them, but now he's an easy target and my editor is salivating for Tiger stories, and the doctor who treated his knee is linked to HGH so.... he's a doper." He might be right but that's gutter journalism. Why not investigate and write about him when you have something you can back up?

Anyway, it's not hard to see the application of these drugs and treatments to every sport. Just goes to show that cycling is far from unique.
 

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I could see how HGH would be used to bulk up - but Actovegin?


Actovegin is a wonder drug with recuprative benefits.
It can be used to relieve the wear and tear on joints that are jolted
by a 3week Grand Tour? Or treat the roadrash from crashes on the
Le Passage de Gois? Or if you get knocked down by a fan on the
L'Alpe d'Huez? All these incidents happened during the
1999 Tour de France BTW - when Tour Doctors were still allowed to
use Actovegin legally. USPS also was known to use Actovegin legally.

My own feeling is that it was subsequently banned by WADA
because certain teams were using it to their team's advantage.
Now all the teams have to suffer. WADA should "un-ban" actovegin
for its wonderful recuperation/healing benefits.

Of course, if Actovegin is truly a "Performance Enhancer", then
nevermind please. But where is the evidence that it is a PED?

Is being able to "heal faster/better" the same as "performance enhancing'?
 
Of course, if Actovegin is truly a "Performance Enhancer", then
nevermind please. But where is the evidence that it is a PED?

Manzano briefly describes how Kelme used it here:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/mar04/mar27news

"Actovegin gas bus"

Actovegin, another animal product, is essentially the plasma of a young calf. Manzano noted that the product he used was came from Germany and was quite expensive, referred to in cycling as the "gas bus", meaning it was used for particularly difficult races or stages. Actovegin is said to oxygenate the blood and provide a significant boost in power over a short time.

"In the short time trials it was used in the morning, but for difficult stages where there would be a lot of attacks, it was injected the previous day," Manzano explained. "When preparing for a time trial the 'gas bus' is combined with bicarbonate, lactic acid, and a brand of caffeine that is injected in the buttocks, which by the way, really hurts."

I've seen no clinical confirmation of it's use as a performance enhancer in the way Manzano describes, but there is also no reason to doubt what he said. Everything else he said turned out to be spot on, and it's not like cycling history isn't rife with all kinds of concoctions which you couldn't even dream up.

A lot of riders have talked about different versions of the "gas bus" over the years, and some of the descriptions have been rather alarming. This one seems relatively innocuous by comparison to some of the coke and amphetamine concoctions of the 90's.
 
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Polish said:
I could see how HGH would be used to bulk up - but Actovegin?


Actovegin is a wonder drug with recuprative benefits.
It can be used to relieve the wear and tear on joints that are jolted
by a 3week Grand Tour? Or treat the roadrash from crashes on the
Le Passage de Gois? Or if you get knocked down by a fan on the
L'Alpe d'Huez? All these incidents happened during the
1999 Tour de France BTW - when Tour Doctors were still allowed to
use Actovegin legally. USPS also was known to use Actovegin legally.

My own feeling is that it was subsequently banned by WADA
because certain teams were using it to their team's advantage.
Now all the teams have to suffer. WADA should "un-ban" actovegin
for its wonderful recuperation/healing benefits.

Of course, if Actovegin is truly a "Performance Enhancer", then
nevermind please. But where is the evidence that it is a PED?

Is being able to "heal faster/better" the same as "performance enhancing'?


You are confused.....perhaps intentionally? USPS was caught dumping Actovigen in 2000, not 1999. It was banned by the IOC 4 years prior to the arrival of WADA. USPS was also were caught dumping insulin, also banned. If it does not work why would Saiz, Frigo, Rumsas, Manzano all use it?
 
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Polish said:
Actovegin is a wonder drug with recuprative benefits.
It can be used to relieve the wear and tear on joints that are jolted
by a 3week Grand Tour? Or treat the roadrash from crashes on the
Le Passage de Gois? Or if you get knocked down by a fan on the
L'Alpe d'Huez? All these incidents happened during the
1999 Tour de France BTW - when Tour Doctors were still allowed to
use Actovegin legally. USPS also was known to use Actovegin legally.
You should have asked why US Postal dropped a lot of empty actovegin boxes at the Courchevel-Morzine stage?
Who, from US Postal team, had hit the ground, who had roadrash?:D
 

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You are confused.....perhaps intentionally? USPS was caught dumping Actovigen in 2000, not 1999. It was banned by the IOC 4 years prior to the arrival of WADA. USPS was also were caught dumping insulin, also banned. If it does not work why would Saiz, Frigo, Rumsas, Manzano all use it?

They used it in 1999 also...you know, the year "Lance bribed the UCI $500,000"
 

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Manzano briefly describes how Kelme used it here:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/mar04/mar27news



I've seen no clinical confirmation of it's use as a performance enhancer in the way Manzano describes, but there is also no reason to doubt what he said. Everything else he said turned out to be spot on, and it's not like cycling history isn't rife with all kinds of concoctions which you couldn't even dream up.

A lot of riders have talked about different versions of the "gas bus" over the years, and some of the descriptions have been rather alarming. This one seems relatively innocuous by comparison to some of the coke and amphetamine concoctions of the 90's.

No reason to doubt what Manzano says?

So Actovegin will oxygenate the blood and provide a significant boost in power over a short time. Is that really true?

Or is it a case of riders thinking-
"it is banned because USPS used it....
"therefore it must be good stuff...
"Hey, lets mix some with bicarbonate, lactic acid, and a brand of caffeine and inject it into our keesters....ouch that really hurts."

Misinformation can be very dangerous...be careful kids before you believe everything Manzano says about specific ingredients.
 
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Polish said:
No reason to doubt what Manzano says?

So Actovegin will oxygenate the blood and provide a significant boost in power over a short time. Is that really true?

Or is it a case of riders thinking-
"it is banned because USPS used it....
"therefore it must be good stuff...
"Hey, lets mix some with bicarbonate, lactic acid, and a brand of caffeine and inject it into our keesters....ouch that really hurts."

Misinformation can be very dangerous...be careful kids before you believe everything Manzano says about specific ingredients.

Or is it a case of apologists not really thinking, just talking?
 
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Dara Torres? Well there's a surprise.

The LA Time article was cheesy. "I had suspicions about Tiger because he had big muscles, but I didn't write about them, but now he's an easy target and my editor is salivating for Tiger stories, and the doctor who treated his knee is linked to HGH so.... he's a doper." He might be right but that's gutter journalism. Why not investigate and write about him when you have something you can back up?

I'm sensing a pattern here.

BTW, the doctor isn't "linked" to HGH -- he was caught crossing the US-CAN border with it in his bag. And with Actovegin, which is banned by WADA. Tiger going to see him for his knee is a little bit like going to see Ferrari for "training plans," don't you think?
 
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Polish said:
No reason to doubt what Manzano says?

So Actovegin will oxygenate the blood and provide a significant boost in power over a short time. Is that really true?

Or is it a case of riders thinking-
"it is banned because USPS used it....
"therefore it must be good stuff...
"Hey, lets mix some with bicarbonate, lactic acid, and a brand of caffeine and inject it into our keesters....ouch that really hurts."

Misinformation can be very dangerous...be careful kids before you believe everything Manzano says about specific ingredients.

Has anything Manzano said been proven wrong? Despite the efforts by some to ignore what he has said he has been proven right over and over. Regardless it does not change the fact that multiple teams and riders have been caught with it over the last decade.

BTW, it is not used to "oxygenate the blood" It is used in conjunction with EPO and transfusions to make the blood more "slippery".
 

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Has anything Manzano said been proven wrong? Despite the efforts by some to ignore what he has said he has been proven right over and over. Regardless it does not change the fact that multiple teams and riders have been caught with it over the last decade.

BTW, it is not used to "oxygenate the blood" It is used in conjunction with EPO and transfusions to make the blood more "slippery".

"used to oxygenate the blood" came from the Manzano piece....

I will take you at your word that Actovegin can be "used in conjunction with EPO and transfusions to make the blood more "slippery"".

But that sure seems like a basturdized use of a wonderful drug.
I would think Tiger's Doc was using it correctly - to help Tiger heal faster/better.
It could be beneficial to riders too if used correctly.
 

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