Ads In Threads

[ElChingon]

You left out the option: "What Ads?"

If people don't know the reality of how the world works especially the web they probably don't deserve to be on the forum anyway. Most people think they can disrespect the rules or live on the edge of them but the moment they are confronted with something to cover the expense of the site they get all pouty and threaten to boycott or leave the site as if they have been disrespected.

We all know what brought everyone here in the first place so the moment they leave they'll realize what is really out there for them. The big losers will be the mega posters who will lose their audience, in other words they're not leaving anytime soon, their egos will take a hard hit if they leave, the silence of the internet will drive them nuts.

Long live the ads! (that I never see or have seen).

 

[cineteq]

These ads must go!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Surprised you think that.

Essentially the poll says that you would be willing to accept one of the positions and move on, or leave. the options cover broadly everything from leave them as they are through to they must be at the bottom of the page and must be cycling related... what other position shoud have been covered?

No I just want the ads that are within the pages gone. Nothing to do with being at the bottom of the page. I actually wouldn't leave if this didn't change but I would be unhappy therefore your poll options do not cover my opinion and I suspect may others opinions.

 

[Francois the Postman]

what the hell is going on here? Just saw the first post to this poll by ACF saying none of these poll options included his opinion. Now his post is gone missing???

Anyway, I agree with that.

Look. We already got ads in the right hand margin on the webpage. There's plenty of space there for Future Publishing to put ads there under the ones we already get... thereby not taking up space previously occupied by posts.

Deleted as it was flagged up that posts would be deleted, but ACF has been contacted amd is PMing his missing option to Martin.

Maybe bottom should read ''bottom or side''. Or another option for ''side'' should be added. I will leave that for Martin.

 

[Amsterhammer]

You left out the option: "What Ads?"

If people don't know the reality of how the world works especially the web they probably don't deserve to be on the forum anyway. Most people think they can disrespect the rules or live on the edge of them but the moment they are confronted with something to cover the expense of the site they get all pouty and threaten to boycott or leave the site as if they have been disrespected.

We all know what brought everyone here in the first place so the moment they leave they'll realize what is really out there for them. The big losers will be the mega posters who will lose their audience, in other words they're not leaving anytime soon, their egos will take a hard hit if they leave, the silence of the internet will drive them nuts.

Long live the ads! (that I never see or have seen).

Look, amigo. I don't see them either any more because I"ve got adblock. But that's not the point. I hope that I made the point (at least for me) clear in my previous post. I am not one of those who has threatened to leave (yet), nor can I be considered as a mega poster. But, I do have an interest here, as I have made clear on several occasions - I want to see my 'baby' reach 2m hits.

After that, as someone else posted, CN doesn't owe me anything, and I don't owe them anything.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Sorry, posted wrongly by mistake.

 

[ElChingon]

Look, amigo. I don't see them either any more because I"ve got adblock. But that's not the point. I hope that I made the point (at least for me) clear in my previous post. I am not one of those who has threatened to leave (yet), nor can I be considered as a mega poster. But, I do have an interest here, as I have made clear on several occasions - I want to see my 'baby' reach 2m hits.

After that, as someone else posted, CN doesn't owe me anything, and I don't owe them anything.

I'm doing my part to reach 2mil.

Other forums have ads and some don't its part of the game, somebody has to front the bill and whining over it isn't going to solve anything. I bet if they charged a fee to members the same whiners would whine.

I have other cycling forums I post and read frequently so even if the site was pulled I wouldn't miss much, except maybe the overbearing rules of post edict which only apply to the 99%-ers anyway.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I'm doing my part to reach 2mil.

Other forums have ads and some don't its part of the game, somebody has to front the bill and whining over it isn't going to solve anything. I bet if they charged a fee to members the same whiners would whine.

I have other cycling forums I post and read frequently so even if the site was pulled I wouldn't miss much, except maybe the overbearing rules of post edict which only apply to the 99%-ers anyway.

No, no....I don't (and I don't think anyone else) object(s) to ads per se - it's the obtrusive manner of their placement in the middle of topics, and their sh!ttiness. If I wanted this kind of stuff I could read the Sun.

 

[craig1985]

Is there any decent pro-arguments for the ads aside from 'chicks with big b00bs, LOL'? Scott, Hugh, and TFF are amongst my favourite posters on this site, but I guess we won't agree on everything

As for the Contador case, if it's announced on the 16th, I won't read it till the 17th and 10am AEDT is really 9am up here in Queensland, easy.

 

[ElChingon]

No, no....I don't (and I don't think anyone else) object(s) to ads per se - it's the obtrusive manner of their placement in the middle of topics, and their sh!ttiness. If I wanted this kind of stuff I could read the Sun.

Well its the only way they know of to get them in our eyes. We've come up with enough ad-counter tricks to avoid them so they're trying to stick it to us. I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a way to inject them in the post not just in between posts. Yes its intrusive and annoying, the best thing you can do is never buy anything that does this type of guerrilla marketing, ignoring it is the best thing, don't even name it in a whine.

This whole anti-ad thread is just shinning the light on them, as if they were meaningful, which they are not.

The worse part is the people that are supposedly running this site (authorized admins, not the namesake admins) don't even know enough about the site software to control it, in other words un-qualified to have such a title. They have their hand tied some say, well not if you have access to the real administrator panel you are not hand tied.

 

[ansimi]

For me, the content and placement of these ads completely ruins the forum. That's not particularly based on logic or principle. I just don't enjoy having them in my space.

I'll completely avoid the site (not just the forum) on Monday.

Thanks for the tips on ad blocking in this thread. I normally just avoid sites with annoying ads so I've never really looked in to it but maybe it's time.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I don't care about ads about pro tips to join the Mile High Club, I just want them at the bottom of the page and not in the threads.

Ditto exactly! Fair enough to put the garbage at the bottom but right in my face in the middle of the thread is disrespectful.

@Granville.....dare.
just kiddin' good joke though.

..sounds more like something krebs would do LOL!!

 

[Barrus]

You left out the option: "What Ads?"

If people don't know the reality of how the world works especially the web they probably don't deserve to be on the forum anyway. Most people think they can disrespect the rules or live on the edge of them but the moment they are confronted with something to cover the expense of the site they get all pouty and threaten to boycott or leave the site as if they have been disrespected.

We all know what brought everyone here in the first place so the moment they leave they'll realize what is really out there for them. The big losers will be the mega posters who will lose their audience, in other words they're not leaving anytime soon, their egos will take a hard hit if they leave, the silence of the internet will drive them nuts.

Long live the ads! (that I never see or have seen).

You do not realize perhaps that it is not even just the ads for a lot of people, it is just another example of the total disregard of FP (CN) for this forum and its members. The ads, in my mind, are not even as bad as the skimwords were, however it once again shows that the forum is just milked for every dollar that's in there, while not even providing up-to-date and adequately modern software. It cannot be that this forum is that expensive to run that the ads that are at the top and at the side do not cover. It is also the content of these ads that is a problem, as I said earlier in this thread, if it were just ads for articles by CN, which I have occassionally seen in these ads, I would not have that much trouble with them

 

[Maxiton]

Im no fan of cycling news. But an essential part to any forum is reinforcements. Even if everyone was willing to boycott this, what then?

All new posters will come here.

The counterforum meanwhile would be left with a maximum number of users (pretty much all the ones that join the breakaway) and no real way to bring in new ones.

CN is a news site that comes up with many cycling searches on google. New fans who find the forum through google searches or looking for results or just news or articles, all will be directed to CN forums and not its counterpart.

Au contraire mon fraire . What you describe is the old print model of publishing, with the means locked up and no access to it available to those without means. Also I think you sell yourself short. Cycling News is largely a news aggregator, no? Have you ever read anything on Cycling News as real and as exciting as one of your GT stage intros? Or anything that even approaches that kind of quality?

And what about the cycling erudition and analysis of Libertine Seguros? (His unreasonable objection to team time trials notwithstanding .) When was the last time you saw that kind of knowledge of the sport in evidence on the main site (or even in the magazine)?

I could go on. The quirky humor of Krebs. The extensive beer knowledge of Scott SoCal. The doping sophistication of Big Boat. I could go on and on. And on and on. The range of talents here is tremendous. Photographers, writers, singers and jugglers.

We can make our own circus, and make it a damn site better, frankly. Of course, almost every one of us has a job, demanding career of some sort, school, family, or all of the above. But we can manage it, and even monetize it (the right and inoffensive way), so that it at least pays for itself. I'm willing to bet that such a site and forum could end up eclipsing this one in terms of numbers in a couple of years time. It can be done.

 

[Tuarts]

Wow, that took forever to read. Found it annoying though its only white blank boxes for me. Logging on from other computers I see it all. I'll add myself to the boycott list.

 

[Anonymous]

Is there any decent pro-arguments for the ads aside from 'chicks with big b00bs, LOL'? Scott, Hugh, and TFF are amongst my favourite posters on this site, but I guess we won't agree on everything

As for the Contador case, if it's announced on the 16th, I won't read it till the 17th and 10am AEDT is really 9am up here in Queensland, easy.

I am just obligated to take a contrary view to whatever Amsterhammer is on about. It's contractual.

 

[Martin318is]

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Note, I have merged the discussion thread and the poll thread to make it more convenient and help keep the poll in public view (since it had no posts it would quickly drop off page one)

Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience. Complaints to the uual address.


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[Moondance]

Au contraire mon fraire . What you describe is the old print model of publishing, with the means locked up and no access to it available to those without means. Also I think you sell yourself short. Cycling News is largely a news aggregator, no? Have you ever read anything on Cycling News as real and as exciting as one of your GT stage intros? Or anything that even approaches that kind of quality?

And what about the cycling erudition and analysis of Libertine Seguros? (His unreasonable objection to team time trials notwithstanding .) When was the last time you saw that kind of knowledge of the sport in evidence on the main site (or even in the magazine)?

I could go on. The quirky humor of Krebs. The extensive beer knowledge of Scott SoCal. The doping sophistication of Big Boat. I could go on and on. And on and on. The range of talents here is tremendous. Photographers, writers, singers and jugglers.

We can make our own circus, and make it a damn site better, frankly. Of course, almost every one of us has a job, demanding career of some sort, school, family, or all of the above. But we can manage it, and even monetize it (the right and inoffensive way), so that it at least pays for itself. I'm willing to bet that such a site and forum could end up eclipsing this one in terms of numbers in a couple of years time. It can be done.

No one is doubting that we could, if we put in some serious effort, make a great cycling site. But the issue Hitch raises is a good one. Namely that it would take months for the new site to be ever found by someone who is not already a member of the community. We would be, for a long time, depriving ourselves of the forum oxygen of new members.

 

[Maxiton]

No one is doubting that we could, if we put in some serious effort, make a great cycling site. But the issue Hitch raises is a good one. Namely that it would take months for the new site to be ever found by someone who is not already a member of the community. We would be, for a long time, depriving ourselves of the forum oxygen of new members.

No one is doubting it would be a challenge. But as TeamSkyFans says:

just [don't] underestimate the power of twitter, and social messaging.

and certainly dont underestimate the use of good meta tags

just generally on the ads thing. I think theres more than that worth shouting about. The mods run this place, unpaid and with no thanks, but worse seeminly no communication from FP which puts them in untenable positions at times. The fact that CN make money from this forum and yet the sofware is from the ark. It doesnt cost much to update. If all the mods quit tomorrow because of how they are treated how long would it be before complete chaos was born?


just [don't] underestimate the power of twitter, and social messaging.

and certainly dont underestimate the use of good meta tags. For instance google on "cycling forums" do you see cycling news???? Nope..

Also the general cyclo-sphere might be more open to a non commercial cycling forum and willing to put up links etc etc.

Might not be as difficult as you think. But what if it were? Would that be so bad? If it takes the new site some time to find a large audience, who cares, so long as it finds one, and so long as the site is the best one out there. Success on the internet is a question of quality, not quantity. Take the long view.

 

[Fus087]

Also, I believe there are a lot of lurkers out there who keep up on many of the threads even though they may not contribute much that will not be tuning in on Monday.

That would be me.
If the ads - whatever the content - were after the last post they wouldn't bother me that much, if they then also were cycling-related they wouldn't bother me at all.

 

[RedheadDane]

Voted for the cycling related ads at the buttom of the page are okay option. Like everyone else...

 

[Morbius]

I voted for any ads so long as they are at the bottom of the page - though I could accept them at the side as well. It is having ads in-line in the middle of the forum that I really hate - they make following the forum harder and less enjoyable. There has been more than one time that I've assumed the ads were at the bottom and so did not read the rest of the page.

 

[Anonymous]

You do not realize perhaps that it is not even just the ads for a lot of people, it is just another example of the total disregard of FP (CN) for this forum and its members. The ads, in my mind, are not even as bad as the skimwords were, however it once again shows that the forum is just milked for every dollar that's in there, while not even providing up-to-date and adequately modern software. It cannot be that this forum is that expensive to run that the ads that are at the top and at the side do not cover. It is also the content of these ads that is a problem, as I said earlier in this thread, if it were just ads for articles by CN, which I have occassionally seen in these ads, I would not have that much trouble with them

what he said. Its about more than the ads imho.

 

[krebs303]

 

[jsem94]

I don't mind. CQ might want some revenue.